On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:16:27 -0800, Gunner
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:53:30 -0500, Ed Huntress
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:28:32 -0800, Gunner
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:57:54 -0500, Ed Huntress
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:03:58 -0800, Gunner
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:31:55 -0500, Ed Huntress
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:56:10 -0800, Gunner
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:45:27 -0500, Ed Huntress
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Likewise, the 2nd. Its purpose is to provide a means of self-defense,
or of assembling a state militia -- whatever.

No, it is not. Its purpose is to protect "the security of a free state".

See D.C. v. Heller. That decision says it's also for protecting
yourself and your home.

Do you disagree?


If you "only need it when they try to take it away," and you never
need it otherwise, what is its purpose?

Its purpose is to protect all the *other* amendments.

You're not thinking about the meaning of that quip.

Speaking of not thinking, Ed... What we *really* need the Second Amendment for is if the
federal government attempts to take away the First, or the Fourth, or the Sixth, etc.

That's not what Larry and Gunner's silly quip says. It says you won't
need it.

You're on the wrong page, Doug. This isn't about meanings of the 2nd.
It's about the silly quip and its claim that you won't need it.

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Ed Huntress

You seem to be rather fixed minded and narrow sighted.

Actually, I'm just reading the words and considering what they mean --
which you guys apparently have not done.

But..shrug..thats been one of your defining traits for a very long
time.

I wont need the 2nd Amendment until a poly tick or a criminal decides
to harm me or take away my guns.

That's not what the quip says. It says you "won't need it." That's
what gave it away as something too dumb to be from Jefferson.

Odd...I wont need it either until.....

Until what? Until your life is threatened, or until someone tries to
pass an amendment to the Constitution?

Oh the Amendment process is legal. Its the bans and other
Unconstitutional stuff that will require guns. I figure this year
they will kill all the Leftwingers. Something about "protect the
Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic"

Hmm. Nothing about self-defense against marauding gangs with
high-capacity ARs, or protecting your home against intruders? No
citizen militia?

Oh thats well covered by the right to self protection. No so much in
Socialist nations. And Blue States...but I repeat myself.

Hmm. Which part of the Constitution says that? Only the Court's
interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

So, we're in a recursive circle here. You do need the 2nd, and for
more than defense against "them taking it away."




Don't you care if your life is threatened? That quip says nothing
about it.

Of course I do. It might cause me to have to expend some of that
expensive Gold Dots that I carry in my daily gun(s)

But the quip says you won't need the 2nd for that. You only need it if
someone tries to take it away. Note the actual words, not the buzz
between your ears.

Of course it does. When one goes after ones home, ones job and ones
funds via "law" its not by definition "criminal" Thats what the 2nd
Amendment really is about. Defending oneself from those government
workers who do that under the color of authority. There is a personal
"threshold" beyond which one simply needs to use guns to end those
sorts of threats. Government threats.

This is all fine philosophy, and a good reason for the 2nd (see
Scalia, et al.). But it's not what the quip says, and that's what's in
dispute.

Again, it's a dimwitted play on words that makes no sense. Definitely
NOT Jefferson. Maybe Larry. g




At which point it becomes a very
tough defining statement that I may offer up resistance with those
same firearms.

Sure. But that's another story altogether, one that the quip says you
won't need.

Really? Cites?

The actual words of that silly quip:

"The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson"

Makes sense to me.

That's a frightening though. It must be a synapse that's misfiring in
there somewhere. d8-)

So slam your head against the corner of the fridge door and see it it
starts firing again.

You're locked in one of your delusional cycles of wishful thinking,
Gunner. The quip says nothing about the things you've described above.
That's why it's dim-witted.

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Ed Huntress


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie