On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:03:58 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:31:55 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:56:10 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:45:27 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


Likewise, the 2nd. Its purpose is to provide a means of self-defense,
or of assembling a state militia -- whatever.

No, it is not. Its purpose is to protect "the security of a free state".

See D.C. v. Heller. That decision says it's also for protecting
yourself and your home.

Do you disagree?


If you "only need it when they try to take it away," and you never
need it otherwise, what is its purpose?

Its purpose is to protect all the *other* amendments.

You're not thinking about the meaning of that quip.

Speaking of not thinking, Ed... What we *really* need the Second Amendment for is if the
federal government attempts to take away the First, or the Fourth, or the Sixth, etc.

That's not what Larry and Gunner's silly quip says. It says you won't
need it.

You're on the wrong page, Doug. This isn't about meanings of the 2nd.
It's about the silly quip and its claim that you won't need it.

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Ed Huntress

You seem to be rather fixed minded and narrow sighted.

Actually, I'm just reading the words and considering what they mean --
which you guys apparently have not done.

But..shrug..thats been one of your defining traits for a very long
time.

I wont need the 2nd Amendment until a poly tick or a criminal decides
to harm me or take away my guns.

That's not what the quip says. It says you "won't need it." That's
what gave it away as something too dumb to be from Jefferson.

Odd...I wont need it either until.....

Until what? Until your life is threatened, or until someone tries to
pass an amendment to the Constitution?

Don't you care if your life is threatened? That quip says nothing
about it.


At which point it becomes a very
tough defining statement that I may offer up resistance with those
same firearms.

Sure. But that's another story altogether, one that the quip says you
won't need.

Really? Cites?

The actual words of that silly quip:

"The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson"

cough, cough.... It says you'll only need it when they try to take
it, Gunner. If they try to kill you, no problem. You won't need it
then.



Same as I wont need the First, unless someone tries to prevent me from
practicing my religion, forcing theirs on me, or preventing my free
speech. At that point...I will use the Right granted me by the 2nd.

Much like a fire extinguisher or a seat belt...I dont need either
until the moment I do.

Again, that's a different issue.

Cites?

See above.

What you're doing is knee-jerking about what you WANT that quip to
say. But it doesn't say anything of the sort. It's all noise in your
head.

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Ed Huntress