On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:29:31 -0800 (PST), "
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On Feb 17, 12:28*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 06:24:18 -0800 (PST), "
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On Feb 17, 12:00*am, wrote:
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I've heard of such cases but I've not seen a believable discussion of
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It's interesting. *I had not heard of that provision before.
Here is what it says:
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person
who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting,
shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a
firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may
lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation
the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition
being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from
the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That
in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the
driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a
locked container other than the glove compartment or console. "
But the reason the above apparently does not protect you
in the airport cases, is that when you retrieve your luggage
to go to the hotel for your overnight stay, the weapon is readily
accessible. *You would be in the same jeopardy
if you were traveling by car through a state with strict gun laws
and you took the gun from your car to your hotel room.
The NYC situation is particularly bad because of the volume
of passengers at those airports and JFK in particular being
a major hub.
If you lock it in a shipping container? *Again, I'd like to see
documentation where the law was followed and the person was arrested
and convicted anyway. *It wouldn't surprise me that NY would ignore
the law but I'd rather not go by Usenet hearsay. *...another reason to
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How's this:
New York (CNN) -- A leader of a Tea Party group was arrested Thursday
at New York's LaGuardia Airport while in possession of a handgun,
prosecutors said.
Mark Meckler, a co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, was detained
Thursday morning during preflight check-in, according to a Queens
District attorney statement.
Meckler told a Delta Airlines ticket agent about the Glock 27 pistol,
which was in a locked gun box alongside more than a dozen 9mm
cartridges, the statement said.
The ammunition should be separated from the weapon.
He has been charged with second-degree criminal possession of a
weapon, a felony that carries up to 15 years behind bars.
"Before leaving home, passengers should acquaint themselves with the
weapon laws of the jurisdiction that they are visiting and comply with
any and all legal requirements if they choose to travel with a
weapon," said District Attorney Richard A. Brown. "Otherwise, they may
find themselves being arrested and charged with a felony, as is what
occurred in this case."
Better than Usenet hearsay but I did say:
"It wouldn't surprise me that NY would ignore the law..."
Brian Stapleton, an attorney for Meckler, issued a statement saying
his client abided by the law.
"Mark Meckler, an attorney and National Coordinator for Tea Party
Patriots, who holds a concealed-carry permit from the state of
California, today was charged with a firearms violation at LaGuardia
Airport in New York City," Stapleton said in the statement.
"While in temporary transit through the state of New York in
possession of an unloaded, lawful firearm that was locked in a
(Transportation Security Administration)-approved safe, he legally
declared his possession of the firearm in his checked baggage at the
ticket counter as required by law and in a manner approved by TSA and
the airline, yet was arrested by port authority for said possession."
And the disposition:
"A prominent tea party activist who pleaded guilty to disorderly
conduct Thursday after being arrested at LaGuardia Airport last month
for trying to board a flight with a gun is speaking out against New
York City authorities for refusing to return his firearm, calling it
“government robbery.”
Mark Meckler, co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, was arrested in
December after he attempted to check in for a Delta Airlines flight
with a locked box containing a Glock pistol and ammunition. According
to the New York Post, after Meckler pleaded guilty to disorderly
conduct, he was sentenced to a conditional discharge and fined $250.
Read mo http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2LBLtRF7L
So you could argue that he wasn't technically convicted of
the gun charge because it was plea bargained down. But
he does wind up with an arrest and conviction record and
no gun. I would suspect that a lot of these cases get plea
bargained down, but you still have the joy of being arrested,
booked, held, and paying thousands in lawyer fees to keep
your freedom.
I'm surprised the NRA didn't get involved.
Also, as far as being reasonable, are you aware that NY state
considers a loaded gun to be one where the ammo is just in
close proximity to the gun? So, if they stop you and you have
the gun in a bag in the trunk and there is ammo in the bag,
it's considered a loaded weapon? How's that for reasonable?
Which is why, when I travel through NY, I don't take ammunition with
me. It can (in normal times) be bought at any Walmart.
Thanks for the reference, though. It does prove that the official NY
is as lawless as I always knew it was. I'll certainly refrain from
visiting there as much as possible.