On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:02:38 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:11:38 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:42:16 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


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Yeah, I know about form 4473, but it's kept in a *bound book* by the dealer.
No one else has that data unless and until ATF has a reason to come looking
for it. And they won't know unless they start with manufacturers' shipments.
Then to the wholesaler, who one hopes also has good records, and so on. It's
a bitch and it all has to be done by hand, going through paper.

"As of July 2004, approved purchaser information is no longer kept for
ninety days but is instead destroyed within twenty-four hours of the
official NICS response to the dealer. The requirement that approved
purchaser information be destroyed within twenty-four hours has been
included in the appropriations bills funding the Department of Justice
(which includes ATF and the FBI) every year since 2004.5 Each of these acts
contains additional provisions which restrict disclosure of data obtained by
ATF via crime gun traces. In 2006, Congress failed to pass H.R. 5005, which
would have codified and made permanent the restrictions on disclosure of
crime gun trace data.

"As a result of these restrictions, ATF inspectors are no longer able to
compare the information on file with the dealer to the information the
dealer submitted to NICS. The Department of Justice Inspector General has
noted that the shortened retention time makes it much easier for corrupt
firearm dealers to avoid detection."

The FBI keeps records of those who failed the background check.

http://smartgunlaws.org/federal-law-...check-records/


http://www.justice.gov/olc/2005/nicsopinion.pdf

http://epic.org/privacy/firearms/

Think again.

Gunner, do you ever read the references you link to? You'd better look
at those again.

The first one refers to records of those who failed a background
check, EXACTLY as I said above, in my last sentence. All that the
ruling you're referring to says is that records of an overturned
denial doesn't have to be destroyed. How many of them do you think
there are? How many appeals, in other words, are accepted?

The second one refers to the fact that the FBI can not access the
records of those on the TERRORIST WATCH LIST who have a background
check to buy a gun. Jesus, that was John Ashcroft just before he went
insane, I guess.

And then the legal loon who wrote that piece defends the "privacy" of
those on the terrorist watch list, and their right to have a gun.
Hell, terrorists don't have to bring their guns with them. They can
just buy them at any gun store, thanks to old John.

Have they all lost their minds?

Yes they have. With 20,000+ Gun Laws on the books...its all insane.

Im all in favor of InstaCheck.

No need for "registration" at all.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie