"Steve W." wrote in message ...

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...

Listening to the radio, today. Aparently,
"instant checks" or universal background
checks is another form of registration.
Since, it can be reasoned, that anyone
who applies to be checked must be a gun
owner of some form.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

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No, anyone applying for a background check could be a first-time gun
buyer.

Records for successful purchasers must be destroyed in 24 hours. That is,
federal records. In some states, you have a de facto registration because
you have to fill out a purchase form (handguns in NJ, for example) for
which the *state* retains a copy.


Not sure where you got this but it's the wrong info.

The Federal 4473 form that is the form used for ALL dealer NICS checks
is not destroyed for a minimum of 20 years.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

See page 3


That means that anyone who bought any type of NICS check weapon from a
dealer since 1992 is on file.

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Steve W.

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Yeah, I know about form 4473, but it's kept in a *bound book* by the dealer.
No one else has that data unless and until ATF has a reason to come looking
for it. And they won't know unless they start with manufacturers' shipments.
Then to the wholesaler, who one hopes also has good records, and so on. It's
a bitch and it all has to be done by hand, going through paper.

"As of July 2004, approved purchaser information is no longer kept for
ninety days but is instead destroyed within twenty-four hours of the
official NICS response to the dealer. The requirement that approved
purchaser information be destroyed within twenty-four hours has been
included in the appropriations bills funding the Department of Justice
(which includes ATF and the FBI) every year since 2004.5 Each of these acts
contains additional provisions which restrict disclosure of data obtained by
ATF via crime gun traces. In 2006, Congress failed to pass H.R. 5005, which
would have codified and made permanent the restrictions on disclosure of
crime gun trace data.

"As a result of these restrictions, ATF inspectors are no longer able to
compare the information on file with the dealer to the information the
dealer submitted to NICS. The Department of Justice Inspector General has
noted that the shortened retention time makes it much easier for corrupt
firearm dealers to avoid detection."

The FBI keeps records of those who failed the background check.

http://smartgunlaws.org/federal-law-...check-records/