On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:59:10 -0600, Doug
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:04:06 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:10:10 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:44:46 -0700, Ashton Crusher
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:33:23 -0500, Ernie wrote:

Ken wrote:

The Constitution's Second Amendment was created to bolster slavery
and capture land from Native Americans...

“The Second Amendment comes from the right to protect themselves
from slave revolts, and from uprisings by Native Americans.”

“A revolt from people who were stolen from their land or revolt
from people whose land was stolen from, that’s what the genesis
of the second amendment is,”

The problem is much deeper than just Danny Glover.

KR Williams ) wrote:

Why state the obvious? Glover is a lefty. Always has been.

I don't know why anyone would take offense or try to disprove, reject or
deny what Danny Glover said.

Anyone with more than two brain cells should be able to understand what
it was like living in the late 1700's colonial north-america, complete
with native indians prowling the nearby woods and expensive african
slaves working your fields.

It's a no brainer that foremost on the minds of the "founding fathers"
is the security of their property (which included slaves) and the
conquering / genocide of tribal indians as the western expansion of the
colonies rolled along.

You don't have to apologize or explain-away the need for a "right to
have and bear arms" when seen in that context - unless you feel
embarrassed by that inconvienent truth...

Why don't you spend some time reading what the founders wrote instead
of just imagining things in your head.

"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress
to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens
from keeping their own arms." - Sam Adams, as reported in the
Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1879.

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everybody who is able
may have a gun." - Patrick Henry

"Americans need never fear their government because of the advantage
of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost
every other nation." - James Madison

"When firearms go, all goes....we need them every hour." - George
Washington

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a
few public officials." - George Mason

"Laws that forbid the carrying of guns...disarm only those who are
neither inclined not determined to commit crimes....Such laws make
things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailant; they
serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed
man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - from
Thomas Jefferson's books

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They
are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under
independence...From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day,
events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace,
security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally
indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains
evil interference, they deserve a place of honor with all that's
good." - George Washington

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual
discretion...in private defense." - James Madison

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may
attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be
occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power
to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by
the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -
Tench Coxe, June 18,1789

"The true importance of the Second Amendment will not be fully
understood, until they begin to usurp its power." - Thomas Jefferson

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they
are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America
can not enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of
the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of
regular troops." - Noah Webster, 1787

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest
reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is
as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"But there are some persons who would...persuade the people never to
make use of their constitutional rights." - Samuel Adams

From an earlier historic perspective we find; "Both Oligarch and
Tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of arms." -
Aristotle


Based on the concerns then and what was available, I understand why
the 2nd amendment was written as such but now people use it as a
blanket statement to give them the right to bear whatever. I mean we
have so many more types of weapons available that I don't think the
authors meant. Personally I think the 2nd amendment should be
amended but in reality, it will never happen.

You don't think? Well, you're right there. If you think the second
amendment is passe, CHANGE IT! what a moron

In general I think it's crazy and going to get crazier, to rely on a
constitution, etc... that was written like 200+ years ago and try to
make it apply for things or situations never envisioned or available
at the time.

Yeah, that nasty old Constitution keeps getting in your way. Just
ignore it. Of course you're unable to think about that for even a
minute.

Do you really think the authors could account for all future events?

Of course not, idiot. That's why they designed in a way to AMEND THE
CONSTITUTION. Boy, you aren't too bright.