On 30/12/12 01:14, John Rumm wrote:
On 29/12/2012 23:16, brass monkey wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 29/12/2012 21:01, John Rumm wrote:

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For the large section of the population who used to buy basic point and
shoot cameras, a camera on their phone will do pretty much all they
need. For those that used to buy SLRs, they still need to buy an SLR
for
the large part - a phone is not going to be a substitute in the same
way
they would have not considered an Olympus Trip a substitute...

(although a trip would wipe the floor with pretty much any camera
phone)

Not a chance.
A trip might beat the flash on some camera phones but it wont beat the
picture quality on a S2.
Not even with a decent film.

The trip did not have a built in flash (it had a hotshoe for a top
mounted flash, and a flash socket for external or tripod mount attached
flash).

It had a decent Zuiko 4 element lens that was quite well thought of, and
IME held its own in image quality stakes against a reasonable optical
quality SLRs. (as sharp as my early Praktika SLRs prime lenses, better
than my later Ricoh 35-70mm zoom, and slightly inferior to the f/1.7
50mm Richonon prime)

I have seen the results from an S2 and they are certainly not bad, but
still short of the trip I would say (which I used for a few years as a
kid).

The camera was basic and offered insufficient control to satisfy a
serious photographer for long (4 focus zones, two shutter speeds, but
full aperture control from f/2.8 to f/22, as well as a full auto
exposure mode).

There are some examples here where someone compares results from one to
a high end full frame Canon 5D DSLR:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/olympus/trip-35.htm

I was under the impression that film was equivalent to ~15 megapixels.

Its hard to make comparisons since film does not have pixels as such,
but 15 to 20 is often quoted as an approximation. Having said that,
others claim you would need something like 90MP to fully capture the
detail on a very fine grain film like Velvia for example.


I think you are wildly optimistic about film grain. Fast film is as bad
as 2Mp more or less. good film like velva is around the 8MP mark and
only Kodachrome sends you up to the 20MP arena.

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