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Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds

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Ethanol requires fossil fuels to plant, harvest, transport,
distil. Last time I looked, it's energy negative. Takes more
energy to produce, than what you get back.

nit: that basically only applies to corn based ethanol. Brazil for
some eerie reason is able to grow sugar cane and produce ethanol
that is energy positive

Â* Â* Minor nit, since very little sugar cane ethanol is available in
the US, which is what we were talking about. Â* To sorta get this back
on track, I have seen nothing to indicate that ethanol from sugar
cane does any less damage to the vehicles. Anybody? --

I agree. Everything I've seen indicates it's the ethanol itself that
is the problem, not some contamination particular to the way it's
produced.
C2H6O is C2H6O.

then one would think that there would be a downward spiral of ethanol use
in Brazil
You forget Brazillian vehicles are BUILT to use Ethanol as fuel.

so what you are saying is that American Manufacturers aren't as smart as
Brazil?

or are you saying there are no old cars in Brazil?
No, Malcolm. What I am saying is the vehicles there are designed to
run on Ethanol because it is their primary motor fuel. Yankees could design
vehicles to run on it too - but ethanol is not universally available in
Yank-land and the cost to make every vehicle totally multi-fuel capable is
significant in a country where 5 dollars makes the difference between buying
something decent and buying junk - with the junk almost universally winning.

As for old cars - they need to run on gasoline (more expensive) or be
extensively modified for ethanol.

what a wonderful business opportunity. I'd imagine that the cost of subsidizing
the cost of converting cars to run on ethanol as a primary fuel or to make them
multi-fuel might be cheaper than the costs of securing oil

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