On Aug 13, 1:29*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:01:06 -0400, "Meanie" wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 08:32:24 -0400, "Meanie" wrote:

I do realize this but we have to start somewhere and build upon it.
Whether we start with legal or illegal may be a worthy discussion but
I'm of the opinion to start with the legal ones first and then spread
out the enforcment to the illegal (which I think will be harder of
course). *And I lived in NYC once for many years so I'm aware of guns,
legal and illegal being all around me as well as drugs and other
weapons.

As was already pointed out, that is an asinine approach to a solution. You
are disarming responsible citizens before disarming criminals. Once the
criminals are aware citizens are disarmed, expect the crime to increase as
well as illegal gun population.

I won't call you stupid, but that is a very ignorant suggestion.

-BTW, more people are killed by cars than guns every year. Should we outlaw
cars?

-More people are killed from alcohol related causes more than gun deaths..Ban
alcohol.

-More people are killed by doctors than guns. In fact, *an average of
120,000 accidental deaths are caused by doctors every year and 1,500
accidental deaths by guns. Ban doctors.

-24 out of 25 *gun owners have used their weapon for self defense.

-Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill
at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).And
readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings
involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error
rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.

-States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8..5%,
rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%

-Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens
can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee.... or
without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet
for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest
states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award.

Stop being an uneducated sheep. Increasing your knowledge about guns instead
of following the rest of the ignorant naysayers will help you understand the
truth and eliminate the ignorance of what you think are solutions.

Off topic a little but whether I change my opinion or not, you are the
first reply to actually sound worthy of me "trying" to change my
opinion. *Now I didn't say I would but at least you sounded calm in
trying to discuss this topic and I for what it's worth (probably not
much) praise you for that.

Now back on topic .... * I debated myself whether it's wise to go
after the legal or illegal guns first but I felt it's easier to do the
legal ones which might spread out over to the illegal ones to a small
degree.

See, this is why some of us get annoyed. WTF? You'd
go after the LEGAL gun owners first? And you think
that what you do to the LEGAL gun owners is going
to spread out to the illegal gun owners? Like the
gang bangers give a rat's ass that the responsible
gun owners have more laws to comply with?
Can you possibly be that dumb?



And by doing this, might work out the kinks in so doing.

Yes, following that logic we should take all the
innocent people and use them to work out the kinks
in the prison system.




No
doubt the illegal guns will be harder to find or control so I felt the
legal ones should be first.

Yeah, because you can't figure out how to fix the
real problem, screw someone else. Makes a lot of
sense.



*Yeah, this might sound like a penalty for
a legal gun but my purpose is for a strategy of finding or accounting
for guns as a whole.

And for exactly what purpose do you need to account and
find for all the guns as a whole? You'd have a list of legal
gun owners. Now tell us how the hell that would have prevented
say the Colorado shooting. As far as anyone knew, except
perhaps his psychiatrist, he was just as entitled to have a
gun as anyone else.



*As I said, it's a debatable issue which to go
for first.

It's only debtable if you're an idiot.


*I don't claim my way is the only way to go after guns.

Sure, it doesn't have to be *your* way, as long as
someone goes after legal gun owners in some
way, right?



As I keep repeating myself, I am not again most people having guns as
long as they are better accounted for.

And tell us again how the better accounting for is
going to prevent crime?



*I do admit I do not want
everyone to have a gun because I don't think everyone is fit to be
responsible for one.

Who, a stunning admission. Who would have thought that?



It sounds like, most who disagree with me here
who have a gun are responsible but of course I am guessing. *And I
refuse to quote laws because even if they are worded well (which I
have some doubts), they aren't working or being enforced in my
opinion.

You refuse to quote any laws because you don't know
anything about all the laws that are already out there
and instead prefer to remain an ignoramus. Which is
fine. But then don't be bitching about what to do, and
how the solution is to go after the legal gun owners,
when you admit you're clueless.

And then you wonder why some of us get ****ed?



And yes this is my opinion so that's subject to different
opinions of course.

Actually your opinion is not subject to different opinions.



One last thing, I don't know the actual stats but I will assume you
are correct about car deaths vs. gun deaths. * The problem is more
people depend on cars for different reasons than guns in everyday
life. *I kinda like guns being treated like cars for regulation
purposes like renewal of licenses, registration, etc... . * *- Hide quoted text -

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And this from the guy that admits he doesn't even have
a grasp of the current gun laws.