On 8/9/2012 12:19 AM, Doug wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:47:05 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Doug wrote:


Don't go there or we will have another 1000 message thread. I do
think guns need to be controlled at least for accounting purposes. I
just don't want anyone to have a gun. You may be a responsible person
with a gun but not all are and as I said, I realize no law is going to
perfect what I want but if it saves any lives, it is worth it to me.

You are assuming that saving lives trumps everything else. Trust me, there
are many people that need killing.

As for saving lives, there's a category of interest called "Defensive Gun
Use." On this, you need not trust me. Simple investigation will show that
guns save considerably more lives than the deaths caused by them.


That's assuming the guns are in responsible hands I imagine. What if
they are not? Do you want ex-felons or mentally ill people having
the right to buy a legal gun? I know illegal guns are available but I
just talking about the legal ones.




Personally I don't see what's wrong with having better records of
those that buy a gun and perhaps requiring a annual license. Why do
you not complain about owning a car because it requires by law,
insurance, a driver's license to drive, registration and inspection
which is more than I want for a gun? Of course there are law
breakers that drive cars too but overall, it's a decent system for car
ownership / responsibility for owning a car.

#1: If the government knows who has guns, they know where to go to
confiscate them. Both the states of New York and California have done
exactly that.

#2: No matter how much you try to equate guns and cars, the fundamental fact
remains that ownership of guns is protected by the Constitution and cars are
not. If you want to put significant restrictions on guns, you'll have to
amend the Constitution; good luck with that.


Then the laws are not correct as they are written. Is it possible
that our founding fathers couldn't account for every situation when
writing our constitution????


The Founding Fathers (olde dead white guys) understood tyranny and the
necessity for citizens to resist any government that wished to turn them
into subjects. I seem to recall from my reading on the matter, the
average farmer at the time had a rifle that was superior to what a
soldier carried. Most people have no understanding of "why" there is a
Second Amendment and why it's at the top of The Bill of Rights. O_o

TDD