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RBM[_3_]

On 8/5/2012 6:57 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:55:48 -0400, RBM wrote:

On 8/5/2012 5:39 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:36:01 -0400, RBM wrote:

On 8/5/2012 5:24 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:53:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:35:50 -0400, Duesenberg wrote:

On 8/4/2012 7:10 PM, DanG wrote:

Tell that to my friend that just lost a freezer full of groceries. GFI
had tripped with no apparent symptoms before or after.

My neighbour had a gfi outlet "trip" on him while he was away for a few
weeks. He lost a 20 cu foot freezer full of meat. Several deer, couple
moose, and several several several choice cuts of freshwater fish in
addition to beef/pork/poultry/lamb.

His home insurance agent actually came out and agree to compensate him
$1700 for the lost spoils of hunting and fishing.

I would imagine the deer and moose and bear of Northern Ontario will be
paying the true price of this gfi "trip" for the next couple years...

Why would a GFI be placed on a freezer or refrigerator anyhow?

Because it's code in much of the US. There used to be an exception for
freezers when they were the only thing on the branch (single outlet) but that
went away recently.

It's bad
enough when there is a power outage and these appliances go off, but
normally the power is restored long before these foods are ruined. A
tripped GFI does not notify the owner of the failure, and it may be days
before the woner finds out what occurred.

A GFI should never be used on a freezer, refrigerator, sump pump,
sewerage pump, furnace, or life support device.

All but the sump pump, shouldn't be plugged into outlets in a wet area,
particularly life support devices. I doubt sewage pumps are required to be on
GFCIs because they're hard-wired, no?

Neither sewage pumps or sump pumps are required to be GF protected,
unless the manufacturer requires it. It is the outlet location where the
pump is plugged in, that may require the GFCI device

Right, but sump pumps are usually plugged in and are usually in places that
require GFCI (wet areas/basements).

As are sewage ejection pumps. It's not the pump, but the location that
requires the GF protection. None of these things require it, if they're
hard wired. (unless the manufacturer requires it)

Ok.... Aren't *all* sewage pumps hard-wired? I've never seen a sump pump
that was. They all seem to come with cords/plugs.

Not if you're referring to a residential type sewage ejection pump,
they're typically cord and plug. Some of the effluent pumps in outdoor,
underground pits are hard wired. Recently I'm even seeing commercial
duplex sump controllers that use outlets for the pumps. It's just easier
to do repairs and replacements.