On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:19:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:


Don't you think it's 'nice' though when someone comments
on some work you have done and says 'nice job'?

Nope, I know whether I have done that or not, I don't need
anyone to recognise that.

I guess that may depend on if you are doing things you are trained for
(competition / experienced_at) and I wasn't talking about 'need'.

I'm not saying you / we do it for that but if you are doing it anyway
(because
it needs doing rather than you just waning to do it 'because' as such)?

I really don't care if it gets recognition or not.

I wasn't talking about that either. It's not if you care but if you
get any pleasure if someone compliments you on a job 'well done'.
Especially if you respect that person and their own skillis (in that
field).

I mean the difference between someone saying "nice job" for a neat
fence or car body repair rather than running 100m to nowhere faster
than the next guy? (Especially so when they are 'experienced' in such
fields themselves)? [1]

Nope, I know whether I did a good job or not,

'Always'?

and I also know when
its worth putting more effort into a better job and when its not worth
the trouble and when near enough is good enough etc.

It's that last bit I have particular trouble with (myself). Maybe it's
because I've spent most of my working life in IT Support when the
solution generally had to be 'perfect'. However, I'm no perfectionist,
I just like to gee a good and well considered job.


If I had done one of the more revolutionary ideas like Einstein had
done, the last thing I would give a damn about is something like the
Nobel Prize etc. That would just waste my time on a formal ceremony,
the sort of thing I really hate wasting my time on, and I would have to
field lots of phone calls from stupid journalists who wouldn't actually
have a ****ing clue about what I had actually done etc.

Yeah, I sorta get that one. Especially when it's stuff I've 'just
done' whilst doing what I do, rather than because I was trying to
acquire such recognition. Possibly why I don't get the "I've always
want to be an Olympic long jumper".

I wouldn't even give a damn about a standing ovation at a conference
of my peers that understood the significance of what I had done either.

Ok.

I might be interested in spelling out how I was treated in school to
try and put a bomb under the education system so others wouldn't
be treated like he was in school in the future,

Ok?

but that's a very forlorn
hope even if you could find someone who could spell that out to the
world in a very effective and succinct way.

Maybe you have found your life's goal? ;-)

..
Just as you might only be good at say 'building stuff', they aren't, but
they may be good a vaulting over a pole (however useless that may
be today. H&S won't even let you get on the roof that way any more!).

There is nothing to stop me doing it again.

?


In fact I did all the electrical wiring and got licensed
electrician to claim he did it all, completely illegal here.

I'm sure most of us (here especially) have done similar where it was
'appropriate' to do so. Like, I ran all the gas, water and electric in
this place 30 years ago because all you had to be was 'competent. Now
I couldn't (officially) to lots of it.


I don't even think its got that much to do with exercise either.

Well, only that we can indulge ourselves in such
high calorie foods and then burn it off afterwards

Turns out that the obese kids get just
as much exercise as the skinny ones.

Oh really? shrug

(or were you talking about 'sport' as such)?

Nope, just activity in general.

Ok.


I think I heard suggestion of their being
more cyclists on the roads these days?

Yes, there certainly are, but that's not due to the olympics.

Ok.

There are certainly a hell of a lot more walking for exercise
on the roads these days too, but again that's got nothing
whatever to do with the olympics or any sport at all either.

Ok.

Not sure if that is because of exercise or just a side
effect of the 'cutbacks' as such?

It must be the exercise, because we haven't had
any of the cutbacks ourselves, we didn't even get
a recession because of the complete implosion
of much of the world's financial system.

Ah, ok, I forgot you weren't 'here'. ;-)

There you go. That's where some of that
'Olympic' money could have gone.

True. We have had some added recently, but that was because
the govt decided that we might see some effects from the
complete implosion of the world financial system and they
started spending money to try to avoid that result.

Better than nothing then.

Its still **** all of the roads that people walk on, wouldn't even
be 0.5% of the roads.

Ok. Mind you, you have probably got a lot of roads over a pretty large
area. It's the same reason I believe ISDN 'took off' in places like
Germany (large towns, spaced well apart) compared with the UK (smaller
towns all over the place)?

hehe Not sure if I'd agree if it was just a hobby
for them, or they just did it for fun, for themselves.

Sure, but they don't devote their lives to it, its
just a small part of their lives. That's not true with
olympians, except when they have retired etc.

True.

But then I'm not into 'Live entertainment' much either

Yeah, I've never bothered with any of it myself.

K.

The most I ever bother with is air shows etc.

Yeah, same here, or military shows and the like, but then that's 'kit'
not people eh. Even watching the likes of The Red Arrows it's more
about the planes and what they do more than the who is doing it
(although that comes into it etc).

That's one area where the real thing can leave the
same thing on video for dead, like when the F/A 18
flys over at 50' and then heads straight up in the
air with the jet exhaust pouring into the crowd etc.

Or a Harrier bowing to you 100' away, 50' from the ground. ;-)

I can still remember a Vulcan doing it 40 years or more ago now.

We hung about after a show just to watch the Herc take off (after
walking though it earlier).

(it often seems 'flawed' which of course it is). I don't
mind a film where the bad bits have been edited out.

Sure, you can certainly get a much better view in video
than you ever can in real life with lots of things.

I watched the (an) Olympic torch being carried past the top of our
road from the comfort of my PC. You saw more of the mechanics of the
whole thing than the small glimpse you would have got, standing on the
kerb. Not sure I got any of the 'spirit watching it that way mind but
I didn't miss it as it all leaves me pretty cold in any case.


Never played darts, cards,

I did when I was a kid, but don't anymore.

At least you 'have'.

raced yer mate to the pub

Nope, don't bother with pubs, I prefer to drink
at my place or a mates place and preferred that
even before I started brewing my own beer.

Similar here (although I have raced mates to the pub and even made the
mistake of 'winning'). ;-)

or yer kids across a park?

Doing what kids want to do is different.

Ah! ;-)

I certainly don't give a damn about who wins etc.

Quite. However, 'you took part'. ;-)


I did manage to infect quite a few of those I knew with the
house building bug when I built my own from scratch tho.

I wonder if there was any 'competition'
there to do it better, quicker or cheaper?

Not for me. I know I did mine much better than they did.

Like I said, they took part. ;-)

Only one of them actually physically built most of the house
himself like I did and he's not a patch on me quality of work wise.

We all have our own skills.

One of my mates is better than I am at stuff done on a lathe etc
and can make you a handgun out of metal out of the rack any
time you want one etc. Leaves me for dead at that sort of thing.

Quite! I love my Myford ML10 and have been able to turn my way out of
issues many-a-time.

But he's completely hopeless at anything electrical or electronic,
just doesn't get it with stuff he can't actually see. In spades with
computing.

Now I'm also ok with most of that as well (I was an electronics tech
and PC man for most of my career). Mostly from the hardware / support
POV than design as such (although I have done a bit of mix_n_match).

Still, the same can apply, even in the burbs (and as you mention
elsewhere with people on the road dawn / dusk etc). Take the
Olympic money and make a dual-use pavement for real
everyday people to help them get about better and safer?

Yeah, that would certainly be a much better use of the money.

And another mate of mine got run over when walking and
that pretty comprehensively ****ed over his life for a long time.

I bet. ;-(

We don't want a huge sports stadium
we want free gyms across the country.

We do have something like that.

We do?

My town, not yours.

Ah, yes, I forgot. I live in Nth London so we now have all the stadium
I didn't want and will probably never use. ;-(

The ****ing great multilevel mega oval has a heap of exercise
machines out in the open that you are free to use any time you like.

Where is this then?

Country town in Australia, population 25K.

Oh, ok.


I don't even ride a bike myself.

Never have or just not since a kid?


[1] A tiler, here to do another role spotted my tiling and asked who
did it? I said 'me' and he added 'nice job but I bet that took you a
while?' (It took me whatever time it took to do a 'nice job'). ;-)

I did find it hilarious when the local council told the builders in
my town to look at how I had done the reinforcing mesh for the
concrete slab for the house, because that's how it should be done.

WEG, Yup, it's nice when that happens eh. ;-)

I just did it the way its sposed to be done with bar chairs holding
the mesh up so it ends up at the right level in the concrete.

Seems 'sensible' to me?

The local builders don't bother with them and just hook the
mesh up with a long metal hook thing as the concrete is
poured. The council hates that approach because they can't
check what height the mesh is hooked up to at pour time.

Nope.


I know if I did a good job or not, I don't need anyone to tell me that.

Like I said before, I wasn't talking about 'need'.

[2] And I don't just mean some patch of tarmac behind
an industrial estate, I'm talking a proper (say) skate park,
properly manned and maintained.

We don't man ours. The only one of ours that's manned is the pool.

Maybe if there were any big / professional grade places that were big
enough to attract plenty of people then it might not need manning.
Over here there is often plenty of bullying / crime going on in the
smaller places so the nice kids keep away.

Cheers, T i m