On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 01:26:30 -0400, Bill wrote:

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:36:11 -0400, Bill wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:34:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:28:25 -0400, "
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Let's back up a minute. A lot of the problem is not the teachers. A lot
is parents that think the teachers are baby sitters and surrogate parents.

So there is no reason to pay teachers any more than babysitters, right?

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Some barely deserve that. Most teachers get a decent wage today. I
was looking at the pays of teachers in Worcester MA just last week.
They ranged from mid 50s to mid 80s in real salary even though
starting scales are less.
http://www.worcesterk12.com/human_re...y_schedule.htm

Not bad for nine month's work and that doesn't include bennies.

Like many professions, some are terrific, others much less so. Hard
to get rid of the bad ones though.

_Unlike_other_professions_, it's hard to get rid of the bad ones. *Unlike*
other professions, their retirement and health benefits are out-of-sight.


That varies immensely from institution to institution. Many offer very
modest benefits.

Nonsense. Why do you think cities are going bankrupt left and right (expect a
slew more next year as it becomes the "norm").

Unfortunately, the trend (for years now) is to hire
adjunct professors instead of tenured faculty and provide them with very
low pay and low benefits.

I worked as an adjunct thirty years ago. The professors aren't teaching
anyway and adjuncts probably do a better job (they generally work in the
industry).

Having no other responsibilities, they do a
LOT of teaching. Unfortunately, that is a very popular business model.
At least, it's not hard to "get rid of the bad ones".

I was referring to K-12. No "adjuncts" allowed. Unions have made sure of
that.



You made 3 claims. I'm willing to concede the last one. Do you have data
to support your first two: (1) that all colleges give great benefits,
and (2) adjuncts are probably better teachers? Or are those just your
opinions?


For an academic your reading skills sure suck.