Swingman wrote in
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On 7/18/2012 10:24 AM, Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in
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On 7/18/2012 7:41 AM, Han wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
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On 7/17/2012 7:07 PM, Artemus wrote:
"Artemus" wrote in message
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"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
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A new analysis of 2,000 years of tree ring data has quickly
made climate change deniers' list of greatest hits to the
theory of man made global warming. The tree rings "prove [the]
climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is now,"
the British newspaper the Daily Mail reported last week, "and
[the] world has been cooling for 2,000 years." That and other
articles suggest the current global warming trend is a mere
blip when viewed in the context of natural temperature
oscillations etched into tree rings over the past two
millennia. The Star-Ledger, a New Jersey newspaper, mused that
the findings lock in "one piece of an extremely complex puzzle
that has been oversimplified by the Al Gores of the world."

Got a link?
Art


Never mind. I see why you didn't provide one. The balance of
the article doesn't support the part you quoted.
http://www.livescience.com/21624-tre...l-warming.html
Art

Actually it does support it however it has a greenie
interpretation that tries to, as you have found out, make it sound
otherwise. Call it a political rebuttal if you will.

Yes at the moment the globe is getting warmer, at this brief point
in time, just like it did in the early 90's and dozens upon dozens
of times in the past thousand of years. Trying to stop the
warming cycle is futile and a waste of time and resources, we have
bigger problems to solve. Given enough time this cycle too will
pass and we will be headed for another ice age, I wonder what we
are doing to cause that.

Have you ever seen a dog chasing its tail?

Just for fun. Here is a link to a retroactive look at a 1981 paper
that looked at scenarios to predict global climate, taking into
account many factors. It seems that 30 years later the
observations have confirmed the predictions, including the role of
CO2. http://tinyurl.com/832z88r or
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../evaluating-a-
19 81- temperature-projection/

My physicist daughter found the link, and yes, KNMI is the acronym
of the Dutch weather service (Koninklijk Nederlands Meteorologisch
Instituut), and I am a born Dutchman.

In geological times Earth's temperature has often been warmer than
today, and part of the current rise in globally averaged
temperatures may be due to other factors. It is just remarkable
that 1981 calculations were able to predict observations made over
the next 30 years, and were based on the rise in CO2. Really
curious correlation ... Yes I know.

Nothing curious about it, Han ... when it comes to correlation and
causation figures can lie, and liars can figure. Massage/adjust the
data just right (as in the traditional and adjusted temperature data
sets being used for modeling) and the moon is made of Limburger ...
or at least smells like it.

And yes, we are definitely in a warming period ... however, the
reason has simply not been determined with sufficient scientific
certainty to embark upon the 'rob the rich, give to the poor'
measures those intent on destroying the sovereignty of select
nations in favor of a world government would have you believe.

I hear and respect your doubts, Karl. I'm still with the general
idea that manmade CO2 is a bad thing, and should be curbed as much as
feasible. But I stil drive a 7 year old Grand Caravan ...

I agree, and certainly think there is indeed evidence to correlate the
two, but, as a single cause, thus far it is far from sufficient to
overcome my suspicion of political motives and agendas.

Sad world we live in ... one would have thought that ubiquitous, rapid
means of communication could have mitigated the seeds of FUD, but so
far it seems to have increased it exponentially.

I'd bet that the research done at the KNMI around 1980 is free from what
you call FUD. But I have to admit I left Holland a decade before ...

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Best regards
Han
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