On 7/18/2012 7:41 AM, Han wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
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On 7/17/2012 7:07 PM, Artemus wrote:
"Artemus" wrote in message
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"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
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A new analysis of 2,000 years of tree ring data has quickly made
climate change deniers' list of greatest hits to the theory of man
made global warming. The tree rings "prove [the] climate was WARMER
in Roman and Medieval times than it is now," the British newspaper
the Daily Mail reported last week, "and [the] world has been
cooling for 2,000 years." That and other articles suggest the
current global warming trend is a mere blip when viewed in the
context of natural temperature oscillations etched into tree rings
over the past two millennia. The Star-Ledger, a New Jersey
newspaper, mused that the findings lock in "one piece of an
extremely complex puzzle that has been oversimplified by the Al
Gores of the world."

Got a link?
Art


Never mind. I see why you didn't provide one. The balance of the
article doesn't support the part you quoted.
http://www.livescience.com/21624-tre...l-warming.html
Art

Actually it does support it however it has a greenie interpretation
that tries to, as you have found out, make it sound otherwise. Call
it a political rebuttal if you will.

Yes at the moment the globe is getting warmer, at this brief point in
time, just like it did in the early 90's and dozens upon dozens of
times in the past thousand of years. Trying to stop the warming cycle
is futile and a waste of time and resources, we have bigger problems
to solve. Given enough time this cycle too will pass and we will be
headed for another ice age, I wonder what we are doing to cause that.

Have you ever seen a dog chasing its tail?

Just for fun. Here is a link to a retroactive look at a 1981 paper that
looked at scenarios to predict global climate, taking into account many
factors. It seems that 30 years later the observations have confirmed
the predictions, including the role of CO2.
http://tinyurl.com/832z88r or
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...uating-a-1981-
temperature-projection/

My physicist daughter found the link, and yes, KNMI is the acronym of the
Dutch weather service (Koninklijk Nederlands Meteorologisch Instituut),
and I am a born Dutchman.

In geological times Earth's temperature has often been warmer than today,
and part of the current rise in globally averaged temperatures may be due
to other factors. It is just remarkable that 1981 calculations were able
to predict observations made over the next 30 years, and were based on
the rise in CO2. Really curious correlation ... Yes I know.

Nothing curious about it, Han ... when it comes to correlation and
causation figures can lie, and liars can figure. Massage/adjust the data
just right (as in the traditional and adjusted temperature data sets
being used for modeling) and the moon is made of Limburger ... or at
least smells like it.

And yes, we are definitely in a warming period ... however, the reason
has simply not been determined with sufficient scientific certainty to
embark upon the 'rob the rich, give to the poor' measures those intent
on destroying the sovereignty of select nations in favor of a world
government would have you believe.

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