On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:42:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:32:20 -0500, "Dave" wrote:
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 22:12:30 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:28:22 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 15:40:17 -0500, "Dave"
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Posted a while back about a project I am trying to concoct- an
intercom for my front door- and have made some progress.
Unfortunately I hit a speed bump when I added transistor Q4.
Now it only gives me noise at the output, and lots and lots of
that. Capacitors are all 100uF 35V, which I am thinking may be
the problem (maybe the last couple need to be 50 or 75V?)
Originally thought I might be overdriving Q4, so I replaced it
with a 2N5296 from my junkbox, but that just doubled the volume
of the noisy output. If anyone sees something I should but
don't, please post. The only thing I can think of is upping the
voltage on C8 and C9.
Any help is *greatly* appreciated...
Dave
Back up and do a little math. Calculate the bias current in that
last stage. (In fact, calculate all your stage biases.)
In my head, it's 14ma. That can't be right. The calc concurs. Is
that a little bit too much?
Aren't the emitter caps about 10 times as big as needed?
Ian did notice that he was just throwing gain at the problem though.
Yep, I was stunned... Ian said something cogent. But his buddy, Dave,
is beyond all hope... rude little POS.
I don't have AoE in reach, but I don't think they mention bias current in
their approach to design. They approach it with the rule of thumb that
the
input impedance should be 10x the output impedance of the previous stage.
Similar. (The input impedance of the OP's stages are only slightly higher
than the previous output impedance.)
I'd like to know if you use any rules of thumb for this sort of thing. Or
is everything just optimized by multi-variable calculus? 
I don't know if there are "rules of thumb"... maybe just calculate
rather than doing a NOLA white-trash guess ?:-)
...Jim Thompson
Does it really make you feel good to talk that way about other people,
calling someone you don't know a POS, and white-trash? Personally, I think
it says a lot more about you than it does about me.
And no, I don't know anything about the calculations involved in anything as
simple as an audio amp. Like I said, I'm making this up as I go along. I
don't know anything. I'm just trying to learn.
Dave
I tried to help, suggesting you calculate the bias currents. Rather
than asking what I meant, if you're "just trying to learn", you
smart-mouthed.
And I don't respond well to smart-mouthed brats... it's enough of a
problem to deal with Larkin ;-)
HOWEVER... If you are really "just trying to learn", calculate the
bias as I suggested... why is it so high? And how much gain do you
really need? Put some numbers on things, and I'll try to point you in
the right direction.
For really, I'll help... but take the chip off your shoulder.
...Jim Thompson
Here's an "intercom" I found at the first Google listing...
http://www.rcrowley.com/comclone/Schematic.htm
Maybe start with something simpler?
...Jim Thompson
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