On 5/1/2012 5:09 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On May 1, 6:49 pm, wrote:
On 4/21/2012 12:04 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Apr 12, 1:57 pm, George wrote:
Try as he might, Cliff Barnes never could get the better of J.R. Ewing.
The Wikipedia entry describes Barnes

During the show's original conception, the character of Cliff was
modeled after the late Robert F. Kennedy [never knew that.)
However, he evolved into a bumbling sad sack who was very much his
own worst enemy. A lawyer and a bureaucrat, not an oil man, Cliff
was out of his element when dealing in the cutthroat oil business
and, despite repeated attempts, would always be outsmarted and
outdone by his rival J.R.

Then entry does say that in the final season, Barnes beat J.R. and took
over Ewing Oil - I never knew that, as I didn't watch it after about
1982 - but that obviously was just a cheap trick by the series producers.

Hawwke-Ptooey very clearly appears to be a bumbling sad sack here. The
difference is, most of his opponents aren't like J.R. - maybe those
****bags Haskell and gummer, but certainly not Dan, jk or I.

I personally enjoy Hawk's posts...insightful, intelligent and fair.

Then you must be reading some one other than HawkE's posts, they
certainly seem to be none of the above.
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Well what posts I have read consistently are insightful, intelligent
and fair

Repeating it mindlessly won't make it so. It isn't so.