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Robert Green Robert Green is offline
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You do see how that presents a problem for the justice system. All someone
has to do is get the drop on you in some remote location, shoot you, punch
themselves in the face with your dead fist (hopefully you're wearing a

ring
that will tear flesh and transfer DNA evidence) and they've gotten away

with
murder.


You do see how regardless of SYG one can always try to rig
a crime scene. For example, no need for a remote location.
Just get them into your house, shoot them and put a knife or
gun in their hand. A lot easier than trying to punch yourself with
a dead person's fist to create a realistic injury. Even your
strawman arguments are pathetic.

God, how I love it when you're unnecessarily rude and incontrovertibly
wrong, Trader. Tell us about the LENF and CRIM courses you've taken to make
that assertion? Hmmm. Tell us about your father. Was he a forensic
investigator? Hmmm. Is your sister a criminal court judge? Thought not.
You're punching way over your weight on this and it shows.

Just "get them into your house" you say. How do you get your mortal enemy
to your house without arousing his suspicion? Send him a muffin basket?
Invite him to tea? Where are you getting the gun to put in his hand? The
magic gun locker in the sky? Do you think cops won't check that knife for
your fingerprints or DNA embedded in the handle? Or look to see if any
knives are missing from your kitchen set? Putting a weapon in the dead
man's hands is a trick even older than the wax in your ears. The cops are
very much "onto" it.

You call my hypotheticals ridiculous but you conjure up far more unlikely
impossibilities out of thin air. "A man will accuse others of what he is
most guilty of himself." Once again you prove the Flanigan's Law. Why
can't you just make your statements without the "pathetic" personal dig?
You let your rage and anger blind you, time and time again.

FWIW, punching yourself with the dead man's hand is going to provide far
more convincing proof of an assault (although one didn't actually take
place) than your trite, dog-eared suggestion of planting a knife from your
kitchen drawer or a gun (that you've materialized out of thin air) in their
hands. Remember how people were commenting about examining the hands of
dead Martin? That's because in a real physical assault, DNA will likely
transfer. So by simulating a punching attack, a hair with a follicle or
some skin is likely to transfer, bolstering the false claim enormously. Far
more than a kitchen knife that was lying around would and no, - save your
breath - police hardly *ever* believe the guy broke in without a weapon and
used one of yours to attack you.

Read up how forensic techs deal with the very real problem of people faking
their injuries to make false assault claims. This is LENF 101 stuff. Maybe
if you spent years on a police beat as a reporter, the way I did, you'd know
better than to open your mouth and dispel all doubt about your knowledge, as
they say. You have to turn everything into a bitter personal diatribe
Trader, but it's "pathetic" to see you get so rude when you don't really
know of what you speak:

http://what-when-how.com/forensic-sc...licted-injury/

Here are a few excerpts:

**emphasis mine**

Introduction
The physical examination of persons with injuries that have been
self-inflicted deliberately is part of the **routine work** in clinical
forensic medicine. The recognition of self-harm is of criminalistic
importance when differentiating between assaults, accidents, suicidal acts
and other kinds of self-destructive behavior; the main categories are listed
in Table 1. In cases of

Table 1 Main categories of self-induced bodily harm
1. Simulation of a criminal offense:
(a) False rape allegation
(b) Feigned robbery or alleged attack for other fabricated reasons
2. Self-mutilation for the purpose of insurance fraud
3. Voluntary self-mutilation and/or malingering among soldiers and prisoners
4. Dermal artifacts, self-mutilation and malingering in patients with
personality disorders
5. Suicidal gestures, (attempted) suicide


Simulation of Criminal Offenses

This group comprises self-inflicted injuries of individuals who claim to
have been the victim of an assault. The bodily damage, therefore, is used as
alleged proof of a fictitious offense. The dramatic story told by the
informant is often in obvious contrast to a uniform wound pattern (Fig. 1)
and a poor severity of the injuries so that the whole picture does not
suggest a real struggle with the dynamics of a fight.
According to the literature, up to **20% of the sexual offenses reported to
the police are fictitious.** In false rape allegations the **informants
frequently injure themselves in order to give support to their story** (Fig.
2).

The rest of the article is similarly illuminating. Twenty percent of the
sex offenses reported are fictitious.

Usually the self-inflicted injuries are caused with the help of pointed
and/or cutting tools such as knives, razor blades, nail-scissors, and broken
glass. The resulting wounds are of a trivial nature, mostly consisting of
superficial cuts or linear abrasions. The characteristics of a 'classical'
injury pattern are listed in Table 2. In typical cases there is a multitude
of equally shallow lesions which are strikingly uniform in shape, often
orientated in the same direction or in a criss-cross manner. The cuts avoid
especially sensitive areas like the eyes, lips, nipples, and genitals. They
are mainly located on the frontal aspect of the trunk, on the face, the
neck, the arms and hands, and sometimes on the lower limbs. Nevertheless,
self-inflicted injuries may also be found on the back of the body, as far as
it is accessible for the alleged victim's hand, or if the injuries have been
caused with the assistance of another person. Often the relevant garments
are either undamaged or the damage does not correspond to the skin lesions.

Table 2 Typical features of self-inflicted injuries fabricated to simulate a
criminal offence
1. Infliction either by sharp/pointed instruments or by fingernails
2. Equally shallow, non penetrating cuts or fingernail abrasions (sometimes
each of considerable length)
3. Multitude of individual lesions
4. Uniform shape, linear or slightly curved course of the lesions
5. Grouped and/or parallel and/or criss-cross arrangement
6. Symmetry or preference of the non-dominant side of the body (usually the
left)
7. Location in easily reachable body regions
8. Omission of especially sensitive body regions
9. No damage of the clothes or inconsistent damage
10. Lack of defense injuries
11. Additional presence of scars from former self-injurious behavior

This is a pretty well-known issue in forensic investigations and I'm kind of
surprised you appear to have no knowledge of how often people fake injuries
to the police, insurance companies and even their own families for a variety
of reasons.

BTW, military investigators have a whole chapter in their training manuals
devoted to SIW's, something that happened in AfRaq a number of times that I
know of and that happens in every war:

http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/siw.htm

If found guilty of a self-inflicted wound in the British Army the ultimate
penalty was capital, i.e. death by firing squad. In the British Army some
3,894 men were found guilty of SIW; in practice none were executed but
instead sent to prison for lengthy periods.

People injure themselves for all sorts of reasons. But not many get away
with it because they're as unimaginative as you seem to be at figuring out
how to make their fake injuries look real. Or perhaps they can't conjure a
gun out of thin air, as you seem to be suggesting, to "flake" their victim
with.

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Bobby G.