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On 08 Apr 2012 19:04:49 GMT, Han wrote:

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On 08 Apr 2012 17:42:30 GMT, Han wrote:

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On 08 Apr 2012 15:06:48 GMT, Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
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Of 65,561 convictions in my state, CHL holders were
responsible for 101 of these (0.1541%). This was in 2009, the
latest year I could find.

Some interesting comparisons: Of 406 murder convictions, one
was done by a CHL holder. For manslaughter, the tabulation
was 105 vs zero.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis..._records/chl/C
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vi ct io nRatesReport2009.pdf

Interesting. *Would you think this might mean that only people
wh
o
are properly instructed and/or licensed should have access to
guns?

How in the hell would a even a lefty mind come up with this
one?

It's really simple logic, dear krw. *The rate of convictions
among CHL is much lower than in the general population, so either
we should just hand out CHlicenses, or we should make everyone
take the test and (if passed) hand out the licenses. *Any rightie
should be able to follow that.

Dear moron lefty, it's even simpler than that. *Licensed gun
owners are a self-selected group, who by nature are law-abiding.
*As usual
,
your lefty mind has cause and effect reversed; most illogical.

No, I AM right. *If you make sure people follow a course and pass
an exam before handing out guns, much of this world could be a
better place. *You have just proven to me that you basically agree
with me
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that licensing guns is better than just handing them out.
*Obviously you now will also agree with me that gun sellers should
keep records of whom they are selling weapons to.

Absolute nonsense. *Statistics don't support your silly position.

Heybub posted some data. *Followed to their logical conclusion, those
data support keeping guns away from the hoi poloi, and only licensing
them to people who have proven to be able to handle them properly.
*It
is
really quite simple. *Only the interpretation of the NRA of the
reading of the second amendment is standing in the way.

No, what's standing in the way is that the criminals, for the
most part, are NOT obtaining guns right now via legal channels.
They already obtain them illegally. *So, I'm as bewildered as
KRW as to what point you're trying to make here and I don't
see your "logical conclusion".

*And guess, which
companies profit?

How about we outlaw guns totally? *We've done that with
cocaine. *Yet those that want it can readily obtain it, criminals
have it, and who's profiting from that?

Quoting the relevant porion of his post:
But as to "how much crime they [CHL holders] commit," my state DOES
keep track.

Of 65,561 convictions in my state, CHL holders were responsible for
101 of these (0.1541%). This was in 2009, the latest year I could
find.

Some interesting comparisons: Of 406 murder convictions, one was done
by a CHL holder. For manslaughter, the tabulation was 105 vs zero.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ds/chl/Convict.
.. atesReport2009.pdf

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Like with cocaine, if youdon't do something with the suppliers, you're
not going to be able to do anything. *Unlike cocaine, we're not dealing
with physical addiction (I hope), so there shouldn't be any "withdrawal",
except for NRA types, perhaps.

You liberals are just amazing. The first and only folks you
think are addicted to guns are the NRA types. The folks
who aren't the ones committing the overwhelming portion
of violent crimes. They are the "addicted". Not the gang
bangers, drug dealers, and all the other criminals. Why
if guns were outlawed, I'm sure all those latter types
would just turn in their guns, right?


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No one said all the violence is just a few criminals. But most
of the crime out there is being committed by just a small
segment of the population. That is established by statistics
that are readily available. I don't have a record, I'll bet you
don't either. But there is a small segment of the population
that has arrest and conviction records for offense after offense
going back years.

And yes, I'm all in favor of law abiding citizens being able
to arm and defend themselves. I thought liberals were in
favor of women's rights? You want a 100lb woman in a dark
parking garage to defend herself against a 250lb attacker?
When she has a gun, the playing field is level.