harry wrote:
On Apr 7, 10:23 am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
harry wrote





Rod Speed wrote
harry wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tim Lamb wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Tim Lamb wrote:
Oil bearing crops produce such a meagre amount of oil/ha
Thats just plain wrong.
Is it?
Yep, the best of them produce very decent yields.
Winter sown Rape yield around 3 tons/ha oil content 10%
Spring sown yield around 1.8 tons/ha and oil content 20%
There are a hell of a lot more oil seed crops than just rape, and
quite a few where the oil is a waste product too like with
cotton. And there is apparently an olive oil lake developing in
the EU
with the oil so bad that it isnt viable as food oil anymore too.
and global transport/heating consumption is so huge
That wasnt even being discussed. What was being discussed was
the relatively small market in western europe where the high
cost of diesel due to govt taxes where cookling oil can be a
viable alternative and the silly claim that the price of
cooking oil was deliverably trippled by someone to stop it
being used in the small number of diesel fueled cars.
that Govt. offset targets are only a few %.
Someone else can do the sums:-)
The figure that matters is the diesel fuel use in cars in
western europe where the govt tax on diesel might justify the
use of grown oil in cars.
There might be space in Australia to grow your own fuel but
there certainly is not here.
Thats just plain wrong with europe. Particularly in eastern
europe, there is plenty of space to do that.
As someone else pointed out, if it was cheaper to run the
car on cooking oil, there would quickly be none for cooking.
Just because someone claims that doesnt make it gospel.
It is in fact just plain wrong with western europe with eastern
europe with plenty of space to grow oil if that was economically
viable.
Couldn't even be done in Oz.
It has in fact been done here for more than a century now.
Most of it is desert.
Like hell it is. Have fun explaining where the wheat is grown,
which
just happens to be one of the world's largest wheat exporters.
You also have to deduct out the fuel needed to grow/transport the
stuff, (around 25%)
You dont have to count the fuel used to grow the crop with the oil
thats a byproduct of what the crop is grown for like with cotton
etc, and your 25% is straight from your arse with most oil seed
crops, we can tell from the smell. And we arent even discussing
what makes sense environmentally either,
we happen to be discussing the stupid claim that cooking oil is
deliberately priced at 3 times its real price, so that those in
western europe wont put it in their cars because diesel has a very
high tax added in western europe.
Most of it is desert or semi-arid.

Like hell it is. Have fun explaining where the wheat is grown, which
just happens to be one of the world's largest wheat exporters.

There is in fact a bigger area suitable for growing oil than in the
whole of western europe.

I crossed OZ by bus/train. I saw mostly desert.

Thats a tiny part of Australia, fool.

Even some existing arable farms had problems with
saline ground water rising and were being abandoned.

**** all of it is in fact being abandoned.

So the desert is getting bigger

**** all of it is getting bigger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

Doesnt say anything like your mindless silly ****.

You never even travelled in Oz?

Yep, over FAR more of it than you ever have.

AND I can see what the ag production of the country is too.

Nothing much in Oz at all. Boring really. Not worth visiting.

We feel the same way about you whinging poms.