On Apr 3, 3:02*am, Bill Kniess wrote:
"Attila.Iskander" wrote :







"gonjah" wrote in message
tnet...
On 3/29/2012 12:08 PM, Attila.Iskander wrote:

"gonjah" wrote in message
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The EMT's were first rate considering the guy was beat to
within an inch of his life. Even washed his clothes. Washed his
moon walking jacket too.

YAWN
* *How stupid !

If you believe Geo. Z you're right.

I don't need to "believe" anyone.
I try to look at what DATA is available, and how the data fits the
various possible scenarios

1) * *The video image was Black & White, and of poor quality
* * * * NO way to really tell the extent of injuries
2) * *Contusions and lacerations to the back of the head do NOT
always cause profuse bleeding
3) * *Ditto for the face.
4) * *Ditto for the nose
5) * *It is quite easy to clean up someone who has stopped
bleeding.
* * * * PARTICULARLY when the bleeding was minimal.

The video is at best non-indicative

But thank your for letting me demonstrate YOUR stupidity.

Wrong again, you of no facts and less knowledge.

You know, you want it both ways. At times you say, we
don't have all the facts that the police and special prosecutor
have and that the process needs to be played out. Then you
use that poor resolution video against Zimmerman. The
police almost certainly have actual high quality photos of
Z's injuries. The police and DA had those the night of
the shooting when they decided not to arrest Z. The
special prosecutor and the grand jury will have them.
I say wait until they determine the extent of his injuries.

This whole thing has been handled in a very biased
fashion against Z by the media and still is.






But your fitting of the DATA to match the scanario is totally without
substabntiation if you state the video was of poor quality, then
proceed to base your case on that video as you did in 2,3,4,5, and
your conclusion. *You then state the vudeo was non-indicative,
further negating any proof you presume to present in 2-5.

Even black and white will show dark stains on a shirt. *There is one
point in the video where Z is angled toward the camera and his jacket
is open- no stains.

Who says the presence of blood on his shirt is critical or
necessary. Somehow, I get the feeling that if there were blood
there, you'd be here telling us it must be Martin's blood.



Contrary to what you say, the head contains more blood vessels than
other parts of the body, and the face has the greatest concentration.
Since the nose is on the face (is yours somewhere else?) you will get
profuse bleeding when your nose is broken.

Give us a source for that. Others have posted here that they
have had experience with broken noses that did not bleed.
Are the liars?



Maybe not if it's a
sideways blow, but a haymaker that drops a chunky guy like Z (over
200lbs) WILL produce lots of blood.

You're making the giant leap that the punch that dropped him had
to be the one that broke his nose.



And even if by some miracle it
didn't, then all the pummelling the kid gave him would do so. *Scalp
lacerations are also heavy bleeders. *Contusions, no, but laceratios
for sure.

One more time. He was treated at the scene for his injuries.
They cleaned him up. How much later was it when he was
in that video. Do you even know?


You could not tell his overall condition? For someone just in a life
threatening struggle, he navigates the rear door of the police
cruiser in handcuffs pretty smoothly, the police didn't think him so
bad off as no one helped him out of the car.

Ever watch cops? I've seen suspects that were in all kinds
of altercations getting out of the back of police cars. And
unless they are tall, they all seem able to do it without
assistance. How many blows exactly should someone take
before using deadly force? One punch can kill you. If you
were screaming for help, how many would you take before
you used a weapon?



*Most police recommend
people bleeding and with head injury should go to hospital, victim or
perpetrator. *If Z refused, then maybe he was not hurt as bad as he
later told police, or this was another thing the Sanford police
failed to do. *It would be useful to see the EMT report on the
incident.- Hide quoted text -


It sure would and until then, slanting everything against Z
is unwarranted.