On 4/2/2012 12:38 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 3/31/2012 10:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 3/31/2012 5:33 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 3/31/2012 1:22 PM, jk wrote:
wrote:
You said that was a lie. You said there was no proof he was a
millionaire when he was in the senate. You wanted the proof. There's
lots of it. Here's some right here.

"Speech fees the only direct cash payoff allowed to politicians --
other
campaign contributions cannot be used for personal expenses, but this
money goes straight into Bob and Liddy's bank account. Bob Dole
himself
earned over a million in speech money between 1981 and 1991, even
though
Senators were limited to $2,000 per speech. In 1993 speaking fees for
Senators were banned altogether, and Liddy's speechifying career took
off.
At least four of the groups that hired Bob Dole later hired Liddy and
paid
her 10 times as much money."

Take note that it says that Bob earned over a million from speech
money
alone between 1981 and 1991. I'd say that proves he was a millionaire
when he was a senator, wouldn't you?
That fact ALONE, no!
As stated, that would be 100k/year, (or 90.9k/yr if you assume it is
the full1 yrs) and only by the barest fraction, assuming he had no
expenses other than what he earned in pay, could it make him what is
commonly called a millionaire.

If you are foolish enough to suggest that anyone who grossed over
100k/yr over 10 years is a "millionaire", then, yes of course you are
right, but then anyone who grossed $25k/yr for 40 years is also a
"millionaire".

Now all you can do is say the reference is no good. But even though I
know you will do that it doesn't change the fact that it has been
reported that Bob Dole made a lot of money on the side when he was in
the senate. He made that from speeches alone that they called
"honoraria" but was really nothing but legalized bribery. That's
what I
told you and what you said was a lie.
That is NOT what you were saying. And that is not what he called a
lie.


Look, Dole was taking hundreds of rides on corporate jets for the price
of a first class ticket.

Not established.

He took hundreds of flights on corporate jets for 1,000 per flight when
they cost between 5 and 20 thousand apiece.

Not established.


He was having corporations giving all kinds of money
to his foundation, Pacs, and other entities he controlled.

But not to him.

You want to make the argument that giving someone control of funds isn't
giving it to him, go ahead.

It isn't established he had control of money that he converted to any
personal use.


So the truth is as I said, Dole made millions when he was in the
senate.

Not proved.


The proof is there for all to see.

No proof.