On 3/31/2012 9:39 PM, jk wrote:
wrote:



Did you suddenly become "more educated" the day you got your degree,
than the day before?

The way education is measured is in credentials.

That is ONE way , but not the only way. If it were there would be no
such ting as the SAL, GRE, LSAT or professional licensing exams.

I didn't say it's the only way. But that is the primary way it's done in
this country. When people ask what your educational level is they expect
you will tell them what degrees you have. Licensing exams are not a
measure of your education. You can take a bar exam and pass it without
going to law school. Passing the test doesn't mean you have the education.



So yes, the day I
graduated I became more educated than the day before I graduated. That's
by the standard of how you measure education.


Apparently the only way YOU can measure it.

That's how the learning institutions measure it. You have completed a
degree program and you have the education or you didn't. I don't make
those rules.

Was I not just as educated
a week before I graduated? Of course I was, but you measure a man's
education by his degrees.


Can't have it both ways. Either you were more educated or you weren't.

I'm not trying to. You're splitting hairs. Before you got your degree
you didn't have one. You don't have one until they give it to you. It
has nothing to do with if I was more or less educated a week before the
end.

~52% of the US population (as of 2000) had some college.
and BTW, going to college, is NOT the only way to get an education,
and a "history buff" ought to know that.

But it is how you get a degree. You have to take a course of education
and pass according to their satisfaction.



That all depends on what you define as education. Most people call
education college.

Ahhhh your misuse of the "most people" again.

Since when is calling the majority "most people" wrong? You think that's
wrong? It isn't.


No, I believe most people use the term "Formal Education" for what you
mean.

Now it's you who is misusing the term "most people" now. A formal
education is synonymous to a college education. But then "most people"
now just say education for going to college.


They don't call all learning education although it
probably is. But you're talking about what words mean and that can make
things complicated.


Yeah, especially if you are expected to use them consistently and in a
least some relationship to the way most others use them.


And even more if you keep pretending that my use of language is way out
of the mainstream because it's not. In fact, it seems the only two
people who ever had a problem understanding me are you are Pimpton.

if I am more knowledgeable than most,
At least you are aware that there is a difference between education
and knowledge. But you sure don't show it here.

For that matter you don't show a lot of anything here either. You think
it's complicated the difference between knowledge and education? You
don't know that most people know the difference between the two?



You're entitled to that opinion but just understand that I think it's
totally wrong.

So you don't think there is a difference?

I haven't seen any great demonstration of knowledge or
education from you either. So why point out me when you haven't shown
any better?


But you probably think your posts show you as someone really
bright? Me too.
Why thank you. I know you don't really mean it, but heck....

Sorry but you misunderstood what I meant. What I meant was that I think
the same thing about my posts that you do about yours. Not that your
posts are really bright. I've said it before that your posts don't show
you to be anything but average.




And much other puffery.

You don't know what that word means. If you think saying I'm better than
average is puffery you're out of your mind.


Flaming bonkers it is then.

Saying you're no better than average is not puffery. You better look the
word up.

And as for people "finding out right away", just because they don't
SAY it like we do here, does not mean they are not thinking "what an
Ignorant, overbearing, conceited jerk".

But since I don't convey that kind of picture why would anyone think that?

Toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy.

Only if you make a bunch of assumptions without any evidence to support
them.



Yeah, but that's you. Anyone else would first conclude that they don't
think I'm an ignorant, overbearing, conceited jerk. I meet all kinds of
people and that is not the impression they get.

You don't know that for a fact. How many of the people you meet, to
you meet again or see regularly?

The truth is I'm a pretty likable guy. Most people who meet me like me.
The exception is when I run into someone who doesn't like me.

Wow.... Caption Obvious, everyone likes you, except those that don't?
What an amazing insight.

Well, you didn't get it. It was a simple statement. Most people I meet
like me. There are exceptions but they are few. I just means that more
people like me than don't. You had trouble with that though.



I know quite a lot about the poor. I also know about medieval guilds
too. But I don't remember anything specific.


"Perfect Memory " acting up again?

Did I ever say my memory was perfect? I know I didn't. So what are you
talking about? Things that never really happened?

My argument with you isn't
about what happened in history but about what it means and how it is
interpreted.


Which is where you illustrated your ignorance. Sufficiently for others
to mock you.

Except at no time have I illustrated ignorance.


I don't see things the way you conservatives do.
Let's see, you think people do things solely because of their race,

Not true. Do I think different races do things differently? Yes, I do.
Does anyone do some things solely because of their race? Of course not.


you think there are "lower classes" of people, sound fairly typical
of the common perception of "conservatives".

I do know America is a class society. You may have heard of some of them
upper class, middle class, working class, poor. Ever hear anyone besides
me talk about these classes? How come? Because it's a fact they exist.
It's a fairy tale that there are no classes in America.


I see very
little the way you conservatives do. But if you want to discuss
something specific I assure you that I know enough to do so.


Doesn't really matter to some one who could TRUTHFULLY boast

"So whatever the subject is I know a whole lot about it."

It's not boasting and I don't say I know a lot about everything. But I
do know a lot about a lot of things. That's true.


Really?????
WHO here has asked you ANY thing when they don't know something. I
have been here longer than you claim to have been, and I don't recall
seeing it.

Nobody here asks anyone when they don't know something.
Lots of people ask questions here, some even about metalworking. None
of them seem to be direction questions to you though.

They're all conservatives too. How often do they ask what they think is
a liberal about anything? How often do you ask questions of liberals?
Not much I'll bet.


Your statement "A few people here don't, but they are the exceptions."
sure implies that all but those few exceptions do ask you for
information.

It's real simple. People ask me for information all the time because
they perceive that I know more than they do. So blame them.




What you think I'm implying is wrong. Few people ask me for anything
here.
"True dat"

They don't come to you either.


When I used to spend a lot of time in rec.guns I gave people
information all the time.
Regardless of if they wanted it. Which would be why you are here now,
not there?

Yeah, I just volunteer information. Bull****. When people would ask gun
questions I had the answers. I got tired of it there because I wasn't
learning anything.


With the computer you can answer any question, as we all know. Just like
I did to find out that physical chess is just another name for fencing.
Which leads me to ask a question, when did fencing become "physical
chess"?

If you had asked me if I knew anything about fencing I would
have told you that I do. I'm no expert but I know more about it than
most people.


Or are you saying that in a group every one
in the group thinks they are above average? Maybe they are.
Mathematically impossible, showing again that you think 100% of a
group CAN be above it's average. That "I know more than they do about
what it is we are discussing" is really showing through here!

Most of the time that's true. Want to take a test. Tell me what you
think you know more about than I do.



You're simply wrong here. You know why? Because I don't think 100% of a
group can be above its average. I don't know where you got that idea.

Your statement "Maybe they are" would be why.

Taken out of context. Maybe they are was referring to what the people in
the group thought they were.

I don't think "taken out of context" means what you think it does. The
whole context of that line was quoted. NOTHING was out of context.

You have to take it out of the whole paragraph not just the sentence.
Looks like it's you who doesn't know what that term means.



Wasn't even in a discussion of what you pay YOUR serfs.


It was to me. And nobody that I hire to work for me is a serf. Is that
what you call people who you pay for their labor?

Just riffing on what you prefer to call them, that is to say "lower
classes".

What they are is what I call them.



Of course technically no one you hire to work for you is a serf. Might
be a varlet though.


Could be.

Hawke