On 3/31/2012 1:22 PM, jk wrote:
wrote:
You said that was a lie. You said there was no proof he was a
millionaire when he was in the senate. You wanted the proof. There's
lots of it. Here's some right here.

"Speech fees the only direct cash payoff allowed to politicians -- other
campaign contributions cannot be used for personal expenses, but this
money goes straight into Bob and Liddy's bank account. Bob Dole himself
earned over a million in speech money between 1981 and 1991, even though
Senators were limited to $2,000 per speech. In 1993 speaking fees for
Senators were banned altogether, and Liddy's speechifying career took off.
At least four of the groups that hired Bob Dole later hired Liddy and paid
her 10 times as much money."

Take note that it says that Bob earned over a million from speech money
alone between 1981 and 1991. I'd say that proves he was a millionaire
when he was a senator, wouldn't you?
That fact ALONE, no!
As stated, that would be 100k/year, (or 90.9k/yr if you assume it is
the full1 yrs) and only by the barest fraction, assuming he had no
expenses other than what he earned in pay, could it make him what is
commonly called a millionaire.

If you are foolish enough to suggest that anyone who grossed over
100k/yr over 10 years is a "millionaire", then, yes of course you are
right, but then anyone who grossed $25k/yr for 40 years is also a
"millionaire".

Now all you can do is say the reference is no good. But even though I
know you will do that it doesn't change the fact that it has been
reported that Bob Dole made a lot of money on the side when he was in
the senate. He made that from speeches alone that they called
"honoraria" but was really nothing but legalized bribery. That's what I
told you and what you said was a lie.
That is NOT what you were saying. And that is not what he called a
lie.


Look, Dole was taking hundreds of rides on corporate jets for the price
of a first class ticket. The actual cost of those was between 5000 and
20,000 dollars a piece. He was directing speeches that would have gone
to him to his wife. He was having corporations giving all kinds of money
to his foundation, Pacs, and other entities he controlled. He was also
getting special sweetheart deals on real estate from companies like ADM.
All of which contributed to his income. The million in speaking fees was
only from 1981 to 1991. He was in the senate from 1969 on. So he was
making that money for more than twice that time. You add all that up
with the million he made from just the speeches for ten years and it
would be far more than a million and we're not even counting his actual
pay. So the truth is as I said, Dole made millions when he was in the
senate. He was a millionaire. That is a fact. Pimpton says that is a
lie. You still think so too?

Hawke