On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:55:14 -0400, Norminn wrote:

On 3/26/2012 1:06 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:09:24 -0400, wrote:

On 3/26/2012 8:14 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In astnet,
gonjahgonjah.net wrote:




"Stand your ground" doesn't apply because Z followed M. I'm sure you're
aware, but just in case.
I am not as sure with the key point being "followed". If they were
both out walking and Z was following at a distance and M turned and came
after him, the SYG would most certainly apply.

They weren't both out walking, as I have read. Zim dialed 911 while in
his vehicle and described the BLACK male as "suspicious"...hands on the
waistband of his pants...."AND HE'S BLACK".

I'd like to see the reports where he placed this emphasis on his conversation.
IOW, you're lying.

Not lying, and the emphasis was mine....

You're stating your (racist) interpretation as fact. That *is* a lie. You're
just another race-baiting asshole.


of almost 50 911 calls, a number
of them were about black males who didn't sound like they were causing
trouble. The call about one who matched description of a burglary
suspect, obviously, would be appropriate.

More race-baiting. Do you have any other arguments? The fact is that there
is no evidence that it was anything other than a righteous kill. ...and
plenty of evidence that it was.

HE WAS TOLD POLICE WERE ON
THE WAY, SO NO REASON AT ALL TO ESCALATE THE SITUATION!

So what? He didn't.

How did Martin get dead, dip****?

I know you're not too bright, but maybe answering this once more might help
you learn: He made the *STUPID* mistake of attacking someone with a weapon.

Zim was told he didn't "need" to follow Martin.

But he was perfectly within his rights to do so.

Get out of his vehicle and approach Martin?

Idiot. It was Martin who approached Zimmerman.

That would, possibly, give
Martin the "stand your ground" basis for physical contact. Z. has a
history of violence, including a restraining order!

Cite.

Martin was there to visit family!

Irrelevant.

As opposed to buying/selling drugs, hanging with hoods, burglary, etc.

Did he beat Zimmerman, or not?

SYG may operate in favor of Martin, not Zim!

Really? It's going to bring him back to life? You're a moron.

Possibilites, without evidence, to discuss the issue.

Good God, you're a moron. A race-baiting moron.

Zim had attended training for
neighborhood watch, which discourages (some ban) carrying weapons.

Irrelevant. They can't ban someone from legally carrying a firearm. They're
not some uber-legal authority.

From
the sound of the 911 (that isn't complete evidence), Martin was doing
nothing that entitled Zim to approach or confront him.

If you will bother to read the evidence at hand, he didn't. It was MARTIN who
confronted, and pummeled Zimmerman. Zimmerman shot him in self defense. SYG
had nothing to do with it. He *couldn't* retreat.

Being a black
teen, being approached by a heavier, bigger male late at night would
make him....do what?

You're an idiot. Martin was a 6'3" athlete.

And that would make the kid immune to fearing for his safety or fighting
an attacker....

....and he died for his stupid mistake. Darwin had something to say about
this.

The kid screamed just before being shot and
whatever a "reliable witness" was at the time is questionable...another
non-black?

Moron, the eyewitness account says it was Zimmerman who screamed for help. Get
your facts straight, then perhaps you can pull your head out of your ass, you
racist old hag.

Take your meds, asshole.

You're allowed your racist opinions. You're *NOT* allowed your own facts,
dumb****!