Michael Joel wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote:


Incorrect. If your require physical evidence - there have been
countless discoveries that have proven things in ancient times took
place just as described in God's Word. May I point out that these are
discovered after years of having to hear scientists and others
telling us no such thing ever existed or happened - simple example:
King David. Countless times we were told no such person existed, and
if he did (which is an obvious give away about the speaker's
knowledge), he was simple a leader of a barbaric clan. Facts have
proven Israel was indeed an advanced culture ruled by the Laws given
as described in God's Word. There are plenty of other examples. As
for the world around us they all proved out God's Laws every time.


To be fair Michael, I am a person of faith, and I have heard similar claims
that try to state that "science" attempted to deny this or that. I
generally heard those things in churches. In reality, I seldom found real
science to be making those statements. I have seen common people like
ourselves, misquoting what science was saying, and trying to speak with
authority that they did not have, but I just did not hear science make those
proclamations. I have heard scientists of different disciplines propose
ideas that were contrary to what the Bible stated, but even those were
generally not as an outright denial or confrontation. There are some big
difference such as the age of the earth as viewed by science and as proposed
by young earth creationists. That's an entirely different matter. There
was some really bad science - or attempts at sounding scientific, being
thrown around by those folks 15 years ago.

I dare say there is more physical evidence that people can touch to
back up God's Word than scientists can actually provide. None of this
even matters though because Faith is the evidence of things hoped for
-. Hebrews 11:1 - and why would someone hope for something they can
see - Romans 8:24.
I don't base my Faith on whether I can touch or see something.


Yet Thomas...



Actually that is misleading as well. First we must assume God isn't in
control of keeping His Word for a Witness. I suggest you read the Old
Testament - it has many, many examples of sinful men doing things that
they thought were in their power, but was actually being used by God
to bring about the results He had already planned.

Valid point Michael, but it does not address what was raised. The
corruption within the church at the time the Bible was being compliled is a
historical fact. Even believers cannot escape that. Even as a believer,
you cannot convince me that God ordained that the 66 books that we've been
handed are his complete set. Does not say that anywhere. My point - look
at what was said to you and don't look at it as an attack upon your faith.
The fact that many excluded books are seriously viewed by biblical scholars
as valid writings is evidence that man has gotten his hand into this thing.
None of that threatens the existence or the power of God.


Your words are as logical as the scientific method though. By you
simply stating It was changed/added to - means you know about those
changes.
I can go into a bunch of "intellectual" talk about how The Bible as a
book came to be (through man's view) but what is the use? It all comes
down to Faith - It is just silliness to those who don't believe.

Denying the influence of man on what we currently hold as the Bible is
foolishness as well. Michael - I think you just need to step back from this
for a moment and come back at it a little less "charged".


1 Corinthians 1:20-25
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of
this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? [21] For
since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come
to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the
message preached to save those who believe. [22] For indeed Jews ask
for signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; [23] but we preach Christ
crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness,
[24] but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ
the power of God and the wisdom of God. [25] Because the foolishness
of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than
men.
Same here. You see it is a war. Not a physically violent war (since
if I did that I would be casting off the Truth). But it is a war
between light and darkness. I am afraid no matter how stupid and
ignorant I may be (I make no argument against it) light will win. You
can't stop it. It is already set and will happen. Revelation 13:10

Probably the worst thing you could have done to present a convincing
position.

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-Mike-