On 2/25/2012 11:12 AM, jk wrote:
wrote:

now humans do know enough to make a system that is mainly fair to most
of the people.

And ours is.

still not even remotely close. If you start out with advantages you have
a much greater chance of success than others do. Most people have almost
no chance of having a good life.

You never did say what YOU consider "good".

To me good is better than what most people would think of as average.
Good is subjective. But to me good means you have enough to enjoy life.
studies have shown that most Americans think if they made around 75K a
year they would have enough money for a good life. I think I'd agree
with that. I don't mean if you have 10 kids though. Two kids and about
75 or 80K a year should give a good life for a family.


Even in Europe young people now have a
better chance of improving their economic standard than young Americans
do.
1: You have a Cite for that, or did you just make it up?

Don't have a cite. Didn't make it up. What the **** is with you people?
You think I make this **** up to win an argument? I don't now and have
never done that. Why do you think I saw what I say? I saw, hear, read
these things and pass them on. I sure don't make anything up. I wouldn't
even think of that kind of thing. I'm not a cheater and never have been.
If I can't win an argument fairly I don't want to win it. Besides if you
cheat you didn't really win. But no I didn't not make it up I saw that
on TV somewhere. It was another depressing statistic showing America's
decline. If you are lower class in America your chances of getting out
of it are now worse than for a European. That's what they said. It's
fine with me if you don't want to believe it. I know it's true.


2: So what, and good for them. So they can improve their standard to
what the young Americans already have? That kind of gnaws away at the
underpinnings of your arguments about the US.


How so? My point is that America has declined and that young people are
doing worse in getting ahead here than they are in Europe. That was
never the case in the past. So we have gone down hill. I don't like
that. While I'm glad to see the Europeans do better I don't want us to
have to get worse, and I don't think we have to. I just think we've been
doing things wrong for thirty years and now it has all caught up with us
and we're paying for our stupidity.

Hawke