On 2/18/2012 1:34 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of bull****:
On 2/18/2012 12:37 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 12:09 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of bull****:
On 2/17/2012 2:16 PM, jk wrote:

That's one possibility. Here's another. You are not able to understand
the reasoning and the principles upon which the decisions are made
as to
how money is taxed and distributed throughout society. Instead of
really
knowing the why behind what is done you take the easy way out and
blindly follow people who mistakenly feel they have been taken
advantage
of. If you were actually well informed and knowledgeable then you
would
see why things are done the way they are, and that they are indeed
fair.

OK, take that SAME logic and apply it to your earlier argument that
the fact that some people live below (an arbitrarily defined) poverty
line, and some live above it, is unfair.

Number one, the way the government defines poverty is not arbitrarily
defined.

Irrelevant. However and by whom the line is drawn, there is nothing
"unfair" about some people living above it and some living below it.

That's easy to conclude when you have no sense of morality.

Not a refutation.



Number two is the context in how you use the word unfair. Fair means
equal.

No, it doesn't.

You think it doesn't say that in any dictionary?

It doesn't mean equal in any valid sense when describing life outcomes.


If you were actually well informed and knowledgeable then you would
see why things are done the way they are, and that they are indeed
fair. And you would also understand (as pointed out before) that 1/2 =
1/2 no matter how much you call it unfair.

It depends on how I am using the word fair. In a moral sense is it fair
that 1/2 are rich and 1/2 are poor? That would be no.

The answer, of course is "yes", it is fair. Fair does not mean equal.

To you if one had everything and no one else had anything that would be
fair to you.

It could never happen that way, but yes, if it did happen, it would be
as fair as any other outcome. *Other* than repeating your falsehood
that "fair" means "equal", you can't give any meaning to it.


That's bizarre thinking.

Nope.


In your mind whatever exists is fair.

"Fair" has no usable meaning in talking about life outcomes and the
allocation of goods and resources.


The problem
with that is you assume that is a fact but you have no evidence to
support your assumption.
The problem is not only that you assume, but you maintain the
assumption even in the face of contrary evidence.

Your problem is that you are not presenting any evidence that anything
I've said is demonstrably wrong or is incorrect.

It has been shown beyond all rational dispute that your definition of
"fairness" is worthless bull****.

Only to you.

No, objectively.


If you knew more about the reality of our
economy, our government, and how they work you would not simply recite
the words you hear from other people who are also misinformed.
You know nothing about what I know about any of the above, and yet
assume I know little or nothing. You claim to know much, and
understand more.

It's simple. When I hear you say things that I've just heard Rush
Limbaugh say on his show that morning it's pretty easy to conclude where
you got it from.

No, that's a completely invalid assumption. Maybe Rush got it from him.

Now that's irrational thinking.

No, it isn't. It may not be how it actually happened, but it is
perfectly plausible. Among other things, Limbaugh is not an original
thinker at all - he has to get his ideas from someone. JK is as
plausible a source as anyone else.



I listen to what people on the right say all the time.
I'm a political junky.

You are a politically naïve fool. You have a little bit of exposure to
undergraduate Marxist political theory; in no way do you understand real
politics.

I forgot more about politics than you ever knew.

No.


You seem to have the classic "mind like a steel trap".
Slams shut at the slightest touch, hard to get open, destroys what it
does grasp in it's teeth, and everything falls out the sides.

Exactly. Hawke-Ptooey doesn't know even a minute fraction of what he
pretends to know.

Get out the mirror bro.

I'm holding it up so you can see yourself, girl.