On 2/17/2012 2:10 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 1:49 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:36 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/16/2012 4:47 PM, jk wrote:
wrote:

On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, jk wrote:
wrote:


No unfairness is also when some one who adds little or no value,
comes
along, and then sends someone in to take away value, and distribute
their "fair" share to those who did not add value, or added very
little, even when the value was added in spite of rather than because
of the obstacles put in place by the "fair Share"ers
jk


You need to reread your post and see if you can say it in a way that
people can actually understand what you're talking about.

Hawke

OK perhaps obtuse,

Here you go,

Those ("society") who send tax collectors around to collect "taxes"
(your "fair share")
and distribute the cash to those who just sit around rather than
working (adding no value), are unfair.

-or-

If that isn't simple enough for you.

Those who want an ever increasing slice of the pie for doing nothing,
are thieves.

They're parasitic leeches who are not entitled to any material good or
service. One does not have a "right" to food, clothing, shelter, medical
care, haircuts, shoeshines, tickets to NBA basketball games, or
*ANYTHING* else, simply due to existing.


You claim you have a right to live.

That is a negative right that implies a duty on others not to interfere
with my life.

The hell it does. It implies nothing about any duties of others. You are
the one claiming ownership of a right. You claim that somehow you
obtained a right to live. Where you got this right is the question. It
has nothing to do with the duty of others. They have no part in your
claim to a right to life. So maybe you ought to learn what negative
rights are before using the word. You sure misused it here.


So why can't "those people" claim a
right to clothing, shelter, medical care, haircuts, shoeshines, etc.?

Those are positive rights that would imply a duty imposed on someone
else to give them those things, and there is no such duty.

You forgot to add, in my opinion to the end of your sentence. Because
that's all it is. Although you did succeed in making it sound
authoritative. But it's still just your opinion and I must reiterate
your opinions are nowhere near mainstream.



You're claiming rights so why can't they?

You don't understand rights. That's proof of how worthless your degree
is. You should know the difference between positive and negative rights,
and clearly you don't.


Hah, that's a laugh. You're so full of your self you don't think anyone
else has heard the term positive and negative rights but you. Well, bad
news, I'm more than a little familiar with the terms. But you just want
to play a game. You are just looking for excuses to justify your
behavior while you deny it to others. The bottom line is always the same
with you. Whatever it is that you do is okay and you have a right to do
it, or so you claim. Whatever anyone else does, especially the people
receiving any government benefits, you don't find they have any rights.
I saw from an article in the NY Times yesterday that at least 48% of
Americans are receiving some kind of government benefits although many
don't even know it. So just keep in mind you are calling about half of
the American people thieves and leeches. Which is just another "out
there" opinion of yours. Positive and negative rights, what a joke.


Hawke