On 2/17/2012 2:08 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:34 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

You need to reread your post and see if you can say it in a way that
people can actually understand what you're talking about.

Despite some missing punctuation and being a bit of a run-on sentence,
what he wrote is perfectly intelligible to normal people. What he
clearly is saying - and he is right, of course - is that unfairness is
when leeches are enabled to suck value out of those who produce the
value, giving nothing in return.

Your problem is that you see things so simply when they are not.

Nope - that would be you. You have an infantile black-and-white view of
the world.



To begin, with what makes you think that I think it is fair for what you
call leeches to take things from people who work for them and do nothing
in return?

Because you support and hold a view of government that does that very thing.


You blabber all the time about successful people being dependent on
"society" for their success. What does some criminal black crack whore
welfare chiseler with five children from five different men contribute
to "society", such that I owe her anything? What does she give to
"society" in return for the largesse that you send federal agents to
take out of my pocket to give to her?

Same here, you mistakenly believe that I think some criminal taking
advantage of everything and everybody just for her own selfish needs is
acceptable. It's not.

You say that successful people owe a debt - a monetary debt - to
"society", when what you mean is the money is to be taken from them and
used to provide goodies to deadbeats who contribute nothing to society.
Your bull**** about "society" is nothing but a smokescreen for
redistribution from some *individuals* to other *individuals*. There is
no such thing as "society" as you corruptly use the term. It is nothing
but a description; it is not an entity.


Your notions about "society" are wrong - 100% wrong.

My notions are in the mainstream

More /argumentum ad populum/ - a fallacy.



I owe no money or
anything else of economic value to "society" - in fact, I owe nothing to
"society" at all, because "society" is not an entity.

See, that's the oddball thinking that nobody else believes

It is correct thinking.


What I owe my
fellow citizens - individual persons - is my agreement and
follow-through not to interfere with them in their peaceful conduct of
their lives. That is all I or anyone else owes.

Except that if you are an American you don't get to make the rules like
that.

I do get to state the correct ethical values. The mob of deadbeats may
violate those values and implied ethical rules, but it doesn't change
the ethics of it.