On 2/16/2012 3:51 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, jk wrote:
wrote:

Fairness is when those people who create value understand that they came
into a society that aided them, provided a place for them to be free to
do as they pleased, and protected them and their money. And that the
price for those things is for those who created value in such a place
are obligated to pay a proportional share for those things that allowed
them to create value in the first place.

Unfairness is when someone comes to such a place, creates value, and
then tries to stiff everyone when it comes time to pay the piper. That
would be you. You would take advantage of all the benefits society gave
you and then you would not want to give anything back in return. We call
that stealing. You're the thief.

No unfairness is also when some one who adds little or no value, comes
along, and then sends someone in to take away value, and distribute
their "fair" share to those who did not add value, or added very
little, even when the value was added in spite of rather than because
of the obstacles put in place by the "fair Share"ers
jk


You need to reread your post and see if you can say it in a way that
people can actually understand what you're talking about.

Despite some missing punctuation and being a bit of a run-on sentence,
what he wrote is perfectly intelligible to normal people. What he
clearly is saying - and he is right, of course - is that unfairness is
when leeches are enabled to suck value out of those who produce the
value, giving nothing in return.

You blabber all the time about successful people being dependent on
"society" for their success. What does some criminal black crack whore
welfare chiseler with five children from five different men contribute
to "society", such that I owe her anything? What does she give to
"society" in return for the largesse that you send federal agents to
take out of my pocket to give to her?

Your notions about "society" are wrong - 100% wrong. I owe no money or
anything else of economic value to "society" - in fact, I owe nothing to
"society" at all, because "society" is not an entity. What I owe my
fellow citizens - individual persons - is my agreement and
follow-through not to interfere with them in their peaceful conduct of
their lives. That is all I or anyone else owes.