On Jan 29, 5:02*pm, Evan wrote:
On Jan 29, 8:35*am, "
wrote:





On Jan 29, 6:07*am, "HeyBub" wrote:

Evan wrote:

Thanks for the advice. What problems "down the road?"

Two units currently being used as one with "dodgey"
crossfeeding ? *Why were 200 amp services installed to
each side of the duplex to begin with ?

Because the building was a DUPLEX.

How large in
total area are both of the units ?

1500 sq ft

Just because your
present usage can be met with one 200 amp service
doesn't mean that you should remove and try to cobble
together the two separate services into one...

I agree. But it doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't either.

You aren't using both kitchens are you ? *Does that
mean you should remove one ?

One kitchen HAS been removed - to meet the definition of *"single family
residence." That is, the stove and refrigerator were taken out and replaced
by a mini-fridge and a microwave. The area formerly known as "kitchen" is
now called the "snack area and bar."

Okay, all that said, I'll repeat the question: "What problems 'down the
road' ".

You know, Evan has a reputation for frequently telling folks that
either
they are too stupid to do what they are asking questions about or
else coming up with all kinds of bizarre reasons, non-existent code
nonsense, etc to say that it can't be done. *He often sounds like
someone who doesn't think folks are capable of working on their
own homes. *Rather odd for a home repair newsgroup.

Among the nonsense he's told me was that no one should ever dare
cut a PVC vent pipe from a furnace for any reason, because only
a pro is qualifed to cement that pipe back together. * You know,
one of those pros with his butt crack hanging out that people
frequently come here complaining
hosed up their job. *Maybe that's Evan. *He's also told me that
nitrogen
used for purging or brazing needs to be recovered from an HVAC
system because it can't be vented into the atmosphere. *And he went
on and on about the absolute necessity of cleaning your AC coils
every year, despite my referring him to cased coils that major
suppliers like Rheem make that have no means to do so without
cutting the thing apart. That's when I concluded he frequently doesn't
know what he's talking about.

Your case is another good example. *He claims you need to go
before a zoning board for an electrical question, without knowing
anything
about where you live? * And had you told him that second panel was
a 60 AMP one, then instead of bitching about how your 200 amp one
was too large, he'd be telling you how inadequate it was and how it
needs to be increased in size, what a fool you are to even consider
using it. *Go figure.

RBM is an electrician and I'd trust his answer.

RBM is a licensed electrician in ONE jurisdiction...

Apparently his territorial land is located in the middle of
the spectrum between NO regulation and the safer places
where when electrical fires DO happen it is because of
what people have plugged into the outlets, not mistakes
made inside the walls that were never checked by someone
who actually knows what they are doing...

There you go again. Show us the data that says
fires are being caused by homeowners doing their
own electrical work.




As far as your bull**** about HVAC, yes, NOTHING is
allowed to be vented to the atmosphere under EPA
regulations, NOTHING...

Does that include the brain farts you periodically
discharge, like in this thread? Kindly show us all
where the law is that says that I can't allow nitrogen from
an HVAC system to enter the atmosphere. If I
buy a new coil, how is it shipped? Hmmm? It
comes with a small charge of nitrogen in it and
expansion plugs in the braze connections. So,
tell us smart guy, how do I use it without allowing
the nitrogen to escape? Without some new
invention, when I remove those plugs, the nitrogen
is coming out into the atmosphere. Hold your
breath!
Will the whales all die?
What percent of the atmosphere is already
nitrogen? Maybe they should shut down Rheem
for supplying dangerous crap like that which can't
be used without, according to you, violating
the law.

Geez, guys like you are really scary. You know
just enough to be dangerous, but think you know
everything, how the world should work and want
to regulate the rest of us and tell us what we can
and cannot do.




*Anything put into an HVAC
system has to be recovered and properly disposed of...

If I pee in it do I have to recover that too? Where
do I take the pee?

We all know that REFRIGERANTS must be
reclaimed and not allowed to enter the atmosphere
deliberately. Kindly provide a cite that says EVERYTHING
must be recovered.



Get caught doing what you described and you won't
be doing any further work on HVAC equipment when
the EPA shuts you down...

Priovide us with a cite or STF up.




As to the PVC vent piping on high pressure boilers,
umm yeah, let most of the people here who have
trouble making WATER tight joints in PVC pipes
call a professional who makes many joints in a day
be the one to work on those vent pipes, because
vapor tight connections aren't something the average
homeowner is going to be able to do --


You Sir are so full of crap, it's unbelievable. Who
said anything about high pressure boilers? It's just
another example of how you drag all kinds of
etraneous nonsense into these threads. I don't have a high
pressure boiler and never said a word about them.
I was talking about HIGH EFFICIENCY furnaces or
boilers. You know, the kind that folks here actually
have.

And regarding making PVC joints, I can see where
you're coming from. It's likely a great challenge for
you. So, you think the typical homeowner can't do
it. Everyone else here pretty much has no problem
making them and it's no harder, more difficult, more
demanding to make one for a PVC vent pipe for
a furnace than it is for a water pipe. Watch the
guy with the butt crack showing sometime. It's
prime it, apply the cement and join. So, stop the
hysteria.



but then again
there are a few people here who ask stupid questions
who could probably make the world a better place
if they died from CO poisoning from a leaky pipe...

Look, homeowners are installing their own gas stoves,
gas water heaters, gas overns, gas dryers. Funny thing,
I don't see houses blowing up everyday where the cause
was attributed to it being done by a homeowner
versus a professional. And I
think if there were a demostrable case that homeowner
jobs were sooo much more dangerous, that politicians
and regulators like you would have done something
about it a long time ago.

As for your silly CO leak, the amount of gas that could
escape from a tiny leak in an imperfect PVC vent pipe
from a furnace is pretty damn small. And it's pretty
damn hard to wind up with a leak. How exactly do
you know the guy with the butt crack or his imbecile
$7 an hour helper are doing it perfectly either? And
the products of combustion from a normally functioning
furnace have only trace levels of CO. You get CO
from a malfunctioning furnace. In fact, prior to direct
vent furnaces, you know where the backup vent for
those gases was, in case the chimney was blocked?
It came right out the face of the
furnace into the house or basement. Yet I'm
supposed to believe that I'm too imcompetent
to make a PVC joint on a furnace vent and folks
are gonna die?




Yes... *The zoning board determines how many
occupancies may exist on each plot of land...
If the dwelling is approved and permitted as TWO
units, then until the owner gets approved to
reduce the number of units to ONE, all services
to that dwelling must be maintained as if it
were two separate units...

Who the hell cares. Rag on



*Which means a
separate electrical service, a separate water
connection, et al... *Just because someone
declares that they have changed the use of some
building in most places doesn't make it so, the OP
seems to live in the land of exceptions,

You seem to live in the land of "know it all"


where he
can do whatever he wants without seeking approval...
That is just not the case in most places with an
actual population density where safety is important
because you are within arms length of your neighbor...

Rag on.



RBM advocated the use of an existing 200amp
service panel which includes a 200amp rated
main disconnect as a sub panel being fed from
a 60 amp branch circuit -- that would not fly
anywhere around here, you would have to remove
that main disconnect...

The main disconnect is NOT CONNECTED.
Maybe they would fail it for that where you are. But
so what? Are you 100% sure of what an inspector
wherever you are would say? Is that what you posted?
No, youcame at Heybub, like he was the village idiot.
RBM is a licensed electrician and he says it's
OK in his location. A lot more useful than your
blanket black and white hysteria.




*So you would be looking
at replacing the panel which has the disconnect
with one which uses main lugs and supported
fewer branch circuits based on the amperage...

I hardly ever see any good advice from you either,
so perhaps that feeling is mutual...

~~ Evan- Hide quoted text -


I sure hope it's mutual, because I wouldn't want
you agreeing with me on anything. You see
anyone else here agreeing with you?