On 1/17/2012 8:22 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
On 1/17/2012 4:48 PM, Hawwke-ptooey wrote:
On 1/16/2012 8:21 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Yeah, sure, I'll believe that claim when I see the proof and not until.

So what would you accept as proof, assuming I would bother?

That would be simple enough. All you would have to do is get that group
of 20 or 30 people to come forward and show they are Mensa members and
that they all consider you to be a friend. Not just an acquaintance but
a "friend".

That makes as much sense as anything you post. Come forward how? I don't
know that any of them pay for newsgroup subscriptions and if they did
and posted here, you would denounce them as fraudulent.

You're the one with the high IQ here, or so you say. So why are you
asking me how to do something other than you think I know more about it
than you do, which I do. But I'd rather you use that mighty brain of
yours and figure out a way to prove you have 20 Mensa "friends".
Personally, I don't believe you have 20 real friends of any kind.


All your dozen close friends are Mensa level intellects. What a crock.
If what you say is true you would be operating in truly elevated levels
with the highest intellect people you would find. But then we find you
here on a metalworking forum. Something doesn't fit the profile. A
genius like you hanging out with the rabble? Why?

Not much rabble here other than you.

No you're not rabble. You not that good. What your are is trash.

That's all you've got, another petty insult?

Just returning the favor you started. See where you say I'm the only
rabble here. Okay, you're the trash. You're stupid to play that game.


I became a machinist because the other, more intellectual jobs I had had
engaged my mind but not my hands and I have a strong mechanical
aptitude. I told several bosses that I became a machinist so I wouldn't
have to work for a living. They paid me to play.

So you are a professional tradesman? That's how you earned your living?
Or are you lying about that too?

Not so much a machinist any more, now mainly a CNC programmer of Mazak
and Mitsubishi LASERs. The title on my business card says Manager of
Information Systems, since I also maintain the company network.

Oh, so you're just a regular working person. So how come you think
you're so spectacular in the brains dept. The way you talk about
yourself I'd have thought you would be teaching IT at MIT. Don't even
have a PhD either? What happened?


You seem to the only one who missed the significance of the 2%
figure I
used. Why does that not surprise me?

It shouldn't because nobody else knows what you are blathering about
either. Nobody cares about what percent you threw out there. It's not
true so what difference is there if the number was 1% or 3%.

So the other comments about Mensa flew right by you? Even for you, a new
level of cluelessness.

Yes, you're right. I don't know what you are referring to just like
everybody else. You're so cryptic that only you know what you are
talking about. Some people call that being so stupid only you can
understand you.

Others got the 2% reference, you missed it. Cryptic only to the clueless.

They did? How do you know that? You need to communicate better. People
can't just guess what you are getting at. No one knows what you mean.
Are you talking about 2% of people qualifying to be in Mensa? You didn't
give enough information for anyone to know that you meant. So your poor
communication skill was the problem.


When you are bull****ting people the numbers don't really matter.

Once again you show us where your expertise lies.

It lies in many areas. Which you are ignorant of.

Yes, because the only expertise you show is in dispensing BS.

If you had brains you would understand the only thing I don't dispense
is BS. Here you have me or Gummer and you think Gummer is the truth
teller. And you claim to have brains? Ha, that's a good one.



I'm not too sure that example is very useful. I think genius IQs
are in
the 140-150 range or slightly above. So if your group had an
average IQ
of 130 they were far above average, yep, maybe in the top 2%.

As I expected, you know nothing about intelligence testing or IQ.
There
is no such thing as a "genius IQ" outside the popular media, which is
also responsible for nonsense characterizations like non matching
socks
and pocket protectors.

You probably didn't notice it because your superior intellect was
focused on some other deep matter, but the intellectual level we have
here in this group is certainly no higher than what you find in the
popular media.

Actually, most popular media is written for a 6th grade reading ability
so that people like you can understand it.

I couldn't care less that the popular media is aimed at a 6th grade
level. I haven't been at that level since I was 11. You are the one I'm
worried about. I'm not sure you can handle the popular media. If it's
for 6th graders it's going to be hard for you.

Not really. I finished 2nd grade reading at 4th grade level.

Spent a year in a tuberculosis sanatorium with little to do but read.

Entered 4th grade reading at high school sophomore level.

Yet no PhD? How about a master's? Got one of those?



So to use language that is congruent with common
understanding and usage is perfectly appropriate. Only if you have a
giant head and are trying to foist some fake portrait of yourself as
being as brainy as a genius would that kind of language upset you some.

Ironically, (in the sense that you inadvertently got something right) I
do have a large head, some 7-3/4 sizes fit, most don't. I can't mail
order motorcycle helmets because their idea of XXL or XXXL is imprecise.

Whatever the actual size of your head that's not what I was referring
to. You don't get so much that it has to be explained to you like a
retard. You think you are great but you are lucky to be average.

Your response once again demonstrates how poor your reading
comprehension is.

My reading comprehension is in the top 1%.

131 is where it starts, some of the people I had dinner with last
night
are as far beyond me as I am beyond you. Very exciting to talk with.

Beyond? You aren't even equal to. It's obvious to all that as Clint
Eastwood used to say, you are a legend in your own mind. You are also
afflicted by the Dunning-Kreuger effect, meaning you overestimate your
abilities and underestimate everyone else's. You're a particularly
serious example of thinking you are a lot better than you are.

Not really, just aware that I am a lot smarter than you.

Reality check. You are one of the less intellectual people here. You
aren't that bright, notwithstanding your own inflated view of yourself.

I gnash my teeth and rend my cloak in anguish because you think so
poorly of me.

Your poor opinion of me bothers me similarly.



Unlike you, who are the sort of person I joined Mensa to avoid.

Going to prove that? If you and Gunner are examples of Mensa members
that's a club I sure would want no part of.

I'm sure that will never be an issue.

Because I couldn't care less about being in it. It might be a good place
for a nerdy person like you though.

Once again you show us how little you know about how intelligent people
interact.

I've interacted many times with people with real PhDs so the smartest
people you can find are nothing I've not come across many times in my
life. Got along with them well and did not find myself out of my league
like you would be. You may be good in a group of computer nerds but
anywhere else you would be like a fish out of water.



So what else do you and Gummer have in common besides being liars.

Well, for all his faults, he also is smarter than you are.

Way smarter than you. His IQ is 158. He told us. But he's really good at
hiding it. Just like you. Everyone thinks you aren't smart at all.

Everyone in the unique universe occupied only by Hawwke-ptooey.

Take a poll right here. Ask how many of the guys here thought you were
one of the smartest people in the group. You won't like the response.


No need to pretend, I know what my SAT scores were in '67.

That really tells me a lot. Mr. pocket protector.

What would be the point of my telling you my SAT scores? You wouldn't
believe me and I know of no way to objectively verify the scores.

To adults SAT scores mean nothing. You're no Steven Hawking yet you like
to make it sound like you have all kinds of proof of how smart you were
when you were young. As an adult you aren't on an elite level. With the
brains you claim you should. So how'd that happen?


The difference is that you have no evidence, I can just point to what
you post.

You haven't a shred of evidence either but that never stops you from
making unsupported pronouncements. No one with character acts like you
do. It's obvious. You deny the truth constantly and make accusations
with no evidence. That show what a dishonest jackass you are.

Again with the petty insult. I don't need to present evidence of your
inadequacy, you do that quite well all by yourself.

Petty insults are wrong unless they come from you. Sorry, Charlie. You
started it. But if you want anyone to believe what you claim you better
present evidence. You have presented no evidence that you have superior
intellect to anyone else and you have presented no evidence of me being
inadequate in any way. The only person you have convinced in yourself.



Ed is a professional writer, there are few others here who can say that.
I confess that I do not write as well as a professional writer. Nor do
you.

With the brainpower you claim to have it's hard to believe you can't
write on a professional level. The fact you can't shows what I have said
about you is true.

No, it shows I've never had a need to develop that skill.

Yeah, you could have been a contender too. But you got screwed. You
don't have the skill because you didn't learn it.


You claim to be far superior than you really are.

No, just far superior to you.

Whatever you call it it's just an unsubstantiated claim.


You
do that so you can do your fake superiority routine. Too bad for you
that it doesn't work. You have to actually show you are better and you
can't.

Yet I have through out this discussion.

The only person who believes that claim is you.


Was it a conscious decision to stop learning after you got your BA?
Did
you realize you now knew everything you would ever need to?

Since I've been into learning my entire life and still am that puts a
lie to your supposition. Wanting to continue to learn at any age says to
all but the most ignorant that there is still a lot more for me to
learn. But keep making all the preposterous and wrong claims you want.
It just shows that you aren't serious.

True, I'm not serious in this discussion with you, its more like dealing
with a not very imaginative child.

It could be worse. You could be me and have to deal with someone with
rather sever psychological problems. Someone who is delusional when it
comes to his own abilities and those of others.


What's funny is to hear your ignorance so prominently displayed. What
you say about me is about as accurate as you saying that Mitt Romney
isn't rich. I've been an avid reader since I was 12 years old.

Why did you wait so long?

It says an "avid" reader since I was 12 not that I wasn't a reader
before that. I'm sure I couldn't match you though, right? Weren't you
reading as an infant?

Nope, didn't have much time for reading until 2nd grade, 7 or 8 years
old. Not so much fiction at first, then I had a year with not much else
to do, started working on the novels in the sanatorium with lots of
looking at the dictionaries and encyclopedias for the new words and
concepts. Learning how to learn.

What a pompous cock and bull story!


I've got at least 20 years of formal education under my belt.

And yet so little wisdom to show for it.

And what do you have to show for you genius at machinery? Certainly
nothing you have shown us here. I can't think of a single gem of wisdom
from you. All that comes out of you is criticism and that is not a sign
of wisdom but of psychological trouble.

Actually I'm just mocking your many pretensions.

My pretensions? Ha, that is a good one coming from you. I concede that
when it comes to over rating your self you're a master.


I am constantly
undertaking new endeavors that teach me new things every year and I
have
a lifelong history of learning. Then some completely ignorant Dude
comes
along who doesn't know a damn thing about me and says the exact
opposite.

I doubt that I'm the only one who has seen you for what you are. And
aren't.

I would doubt that what you see anyone else does. You come across like
someone who thinks they are awesome.

No, I used to be awesome, but have little time for that now.

Don't have time to be awesome anymore, do you? So what are you doing
instead?


It's impossible for you to be any farther off the mark. You
have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, which tells me
all I
need to know about you. You're a buffoon.

I have never felt I knew all I needed to about anything, which is why I
can continue to learn. You have just confessed that you choose to not
learn, to not try to stretch beyond your limited capacity. I pity you.

Really? Well, you sure act like a know it all.

No, just a lot more than you.

We'll all believe that the minute you prove it.

You think you know a lot
about me. But then every accusation you make has no basis in fact and no
evidence to support it.

Just the evidence you present whenever you post.

You present some meaningful evidence when you post tool. Mainly that you
aren't any smarter or know more than anybody else around here.

Everything you say is nothing but your own
biased and ignorant opinions minus the truth. You have a habit of that.
Just making pronouncements and expecting that people accept them as
true. Just one thing, they do need to do true if anyone is going to
believe them. You have a lot of work to do. From now on try to get the
facts first then go from there.

Hawwke-ptooey

I'm just reacting to the utter nonsense you keep spouting. You really
are amusing. I've never seen someone so convinced that a poli sci BA
from an obscure school actually means you have something to contribute
to adult discourse.


In the first place it's only stupidity that would make you think that
simply a college degree gives me the ability to contribute to an adult
discussion. That's the least of it. My formal education is only a very
small part of the whole package. The package you know virtually nothing
about. But your conceit and overconfidence have prevented you from
leaning. All you show in your posts is that you have a lot to learn and
that for all your bragging you aren't half what you purport to be. Of
course, you could always change that by proving some of what you claim.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to prove anything though.

Hawke