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On 17 Dec 2011 23:53:16 GMT, Han wrote:

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On 17 Dec 2011 13:49:10 GMT, Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
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Han wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in
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Uh, there is no judge or jury when dealing with unlawful enemy
combatants. They are not criminals. They do not get criminal
trials. They do not get the "rights" provided to criminal
defendants.

If the president or his designee anoints someone as an unlawful
enemy combatant, they're toast.

That seems to be current procedure. My question is whether
anointing or branding someone UEC could possibly be misused to get
rid of people the "President" doesn't like.

Yes, it could. Almost any law could be misused (and most have). We
just have to rely on the innate goodness of our president and his
sense of fair play. But even if the president goes rogue (or a
little funny in the head), he can be replaced at the next regularly
scheduled election.

Seems to me that in a lawful
state some kind of due process should exist.

Due process does exist. It exists in the unfettered discretion
possessed by the president. Very many laws rely on the "discretion"
of the bureaucrat.

Why do your statements fail to give me confidence in the process?

Hint: no law is needed for the government to "go rogue".


I came to the US in 1969, in spite of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution and
its sequelae, but when I came it was known as somewhat bogus. Same for
the other side of the aisle with Iraq. Yes, I know that governemnt can
go rogue, with or without law. I hope you'll join me in NOT condoning
that.


So you think (the absence of) a little law will stop it?


If there is a "law", however unconstitutional, to permit unconstitutional
behavior, a "conviction" is more difficult to obtain.

Gingrich didn't help the rule of law by saying (paraphrased) if I'm
president, I will do what I want and the SCOTUS can go (insert phrase).
He has now totally disqualified himself. Why can't the Republicans find
a qualified AND electable candidate? With Obama's not so great
performance (thus far), that should be easy ...

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