cynic wrote:
On Dec 3, 3:18 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

SNIP

So whilst there's no denying that it got warmer between 1960 and 2000,
and the CO2 in the atmosphere increased dur8ing that timem, thats really
the limit of the testable FACTS and we cant say that it was due to any
given thing with certainty.

Vast amounts of CO2 are present in solution in the oceans and other
water of this planet.

Gases dissolve better in cold water (go back to school science
lessons) therefore as temperatures rise some of the gas comes out of
solution and thus their levels in the atmosphere rise. To me this
suggests that the rise in CO2 is driven by the rise in temperature on
the natural heating and cooling cycle of the planet. NOT that rising
CO2 levels cause temperature rise as the tree huggers would have us
believe and beat our breasts about.


at a simplistic level that would seem to be a reasonable proposition.
and would explain why historically CO2 increase lag temperature, but
dont lead it.


I do appreciate the need for increased power generation but wind is
far too variable to ever be a solution. We need to get construction of
replacement Nuclear and Coal power generation underway NOW

Sine the political issues around even solving a totally human issue -
global debt - seem to make it insumrmountable, I have little hope that
CO2 will be limited except by force majeure.

Ergo the best strategy is to build a lot of nuclear power to give us the
the energy to DEAL with climate change.

No destroy our economies on power systems that *can* not work.

SNIP

Can you imagine what it would do to the green economy, and the careers
of politicians and people who have supported it to the hilt and beyond,
if it became fashionable to believe that something else was in fact
happening?

Therein lies the major problem!

*shrug* its the inertia of vested interests versus the reality of
oncoming events.

Its classic systems analysis stuff. You get delay, followed by
instability ..overshoot and ring stuff.



SNIP

Well its stopped getting warmer since 2000, whilst C02 has increased,
but that, apparently, is not enough.


Add to that the energy costs to us all just to keep warm in the cold
weather being hiked at every opportunity by the energy companies with
the sop that they need to invest more in renewables and we are on the
road to hell in the proverbial handcart.

Yep.

I follow a LOT of trends. If you wanted to sum the conclusions in one
sentence it would be something like:

'Real situations that the institutions and individuals in them are
unable to comprehend and incompetent to deal with make the continued
existence of those institutions and individuals unlikely, and indeed ill
advised, but turkeys don't vote for Christmas, therefore insanity
prevails..for now'