On Nov 13, 8:52*pm, "Robert Green" wrote:
"BobR" wrote in message

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On Nov 12, 12:11 pm, "Robert Green"
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"Bob F" wrote:

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Regarding Ohio, specifically, the unions, I believe, dumped upwards
of $34 million in the campaign to revoke the anti-union law. If I was
in charge in Ohio, I'd pass the bill again, this time exempting cops
and firemen, and encourage the unions to spend another $34 million.
Eventually the'd run out of money to defeat it.

You and the Koch brothers. Standard repub behavior. Just keep ignoring
the
public response to your actions, and throw money at it to kill the
results
of
Democracy. Furtunately, the public is rapidly catching on to the reality
that
Repubs don't give a hoot about the workers of the US. All they do is for
the
billionaires and corporations. I think the repubs are seeing the
beginning
of
the end.

My favorite slogan: "Republicans only care about people until they are
born." I think, contrary to HeyBub, that the Republicans will come to
realize that Gov. Walker's attack on the Wisconsin unions will be their
undoing, and not their salvation. Especially as more and more US workers
are struggling to make ends meet. While they're still hoping, in many
cases, to get back jobs that have been lost to robotics and the cheap
labor
of the third world, many now realize those jobs may be gone forever.

--
Bobby G

One day in the very near future the unions will wake up and realize
they no longer represent any workers because they have effectively
driven every job out of the country or bankrupted every employer
including the public.

Actually, economists have predicted (and it seems correctly) that the rise
of unions in CHINA will be returning more and more manufacturing work to the
US. *The Chinese workers are catching on to the wealth that they are
creating for their masters but not for themselves. *As they demand a greater
share of the economic pie, US wages will not look so out-of-whack.


No real surprise but I doubt that the work will return to the US but
will migrate to other underdeveloped countries.

People who send things to China for manufacture tell me that the good old
days of them doing something in 1/4 the time for 1/4 the price are over.
Now, they change deals in mid-stream, deliver much shoddier goods than they
used to and in a much longer time frame.

Now there is proof that the UNIONS have gotten involved...shoddier
goods and longer production times.

*They're also under attack for
"dumping" solar panels by selling them under the cost of production
specifically to try to bankrupt US competition.


Darn those pesky Chineese, they do learn fast.

I was a union member for a few years. *It got me fair pay for a fair day's
work and triple time when I worked Sundays and holidays, which I did quite
often. *I think this "unions have destroyed America" malarkey is just that.

Funny, never been a member of a Union and never have had any problem
getting fair pay for a fair day's work either.

Unions BUILT American, and they, like the Federal government and any other
complex systems need maintenance and adjustment from time to time. *Capital
and labor are at somewhat natural odds with each other and so that process
needs refereeing. *Unions even the playing field between the two.


Unions have a place in society but they have grossly overplayed their
position and totally forgotten who makes out the paychecks.

It's so sad that so few people seem to remember what working conditions were
like 100 years ago before unions. *People were locked into dangerous
workplaces with the exits barred and got burned alive (Triangle Shirtwaist
Fire) when a fire started. *Regulations and unions didn't arise in a vacuum,
they arose because of the constant abuses of businessmen who wouldn't think
twice about risking a worker's health to make a dollar. *That process is
playing out now in China, and will be happening all across the third world
as people become better educated. *The fact that unions arise even in the
midst of socialist dictatorships tells me they are a totally natural
phenomenon, and a largely unstoppable one.


But like anything in life, a little can be good but too much can be
destructive.

--
Bobby G.