On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:46:07 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote:

On Nov 12, 9:11Â*am, bud-- wrote:
On 11/11/2011 7:00 PM, wrote:





On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:20:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/10/2011 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:01:39 -0600,
wrote:

On 11/9/2011 7:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:36:48 -0600,
wrote:

In this thread you have got wrong:
Clare needed to convert to breakers because of homeowners insurance.
you can't get insurance for fuses
you can never get insurance for K&T
you can never get insurance for K&T from State Farm
there is a "great chance of a loss" (K&T is intrinsically unsafe)
there are no boxes with K&T
if you open a wall with K&T it is "mandatory to upgrade"
homes with K&T can't be insulated

Â* Â* Bud,

Insurance underwriters do not allow (in most cases) houses with K&T
wiring.

How do you know what the practice is in the US? Â*Or all of Canada?
Do you use a Ouija board, like hallerb?

An unmolested K&T wiring system, even if surrounded by insulation,
would, in all probability, not cause a fire dsnger - but UNMOLESTED
K&T systems are EXCEDINGLY rare - and any poorly made modifications,
dangerous enough when in open air, and open to be found and repaired
if a problem develops, are hidden in (often flammable) insulation,
where if a problem develops the first sign is smoke.

"Exceedingly rare"?
Your opinion.

Â* Â*Are you an electrician????

I have been a licensed master electrician for over 35 years.

Over the last 50 years ( 40 from 1956 to 2006)as an electrician my dad
rewired a LOT of older homes - and he virtually NEVER found an
"unmolested" K&T

Was my mother's old house that was upgraded by licensed electricians
"molested"?

I wouldn't bet against it.

Let me try again. Did the licensed electricians "molest" my mother's old
house? Does your FUD include work done by electricians?

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bud---provided every single change was proper and to code it may not have been molested, but it still doesnt make it efficent, as safe as current code, modern or convenient.

do tell does your moms home still have a fuse box? a outlet for every
6 feet of wall? multiple 20 amp outlets in kitchen? GFCIs for kitchen
bath and outdoor outlets? are major appliances all on their own
circuit? are all cieling light circuits isolated from all receptables?
so a tripped breaker or blown fuse doesnt create a lights out and trip
hazard? was all the K&T removed? I ask because the K&T insulation
fails and falls off over time.

bud protests a lot, its possible he is attempting to convince himself
all is well at moms house while it might not be.....

does moms house have working smoke detectors and carbon monoxide
detectors? have you had the chimney cap inspected?

is moms house truly safe?
Is the ground around the outhouse well stabilized by turf, or is it
muddy.(slip and fall hazard) Is the coal chute wall solid enough to
keep the pile from collapsing into the rest of the celar? Or does it
still have a woodshed instead? Is the ash bin still solid, or is it
rusted through in the corner? Does she keep the ask bin in the
woodshed or on the front porch?? (bad idea - many fires caused by hot
ashes in the ashbin on the porch) Or is she using plug-in electric
heaters on the K&T circuits?