On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:49:49 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
**Because a 1000+ dissenting scientists is a MINISCULE proportion of all
those who hold degrees in science. Utterly insignificant, in fact. Think
MILLIONS.
Not quite millions.
31,487 Scientists who have their doubts.
http://www.petitionproject.org
The breakdown is:
http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php
3,805 Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences
935 Computer and mathematical sciences
5,812 Physics and aerospace sciences
4,822 Chemistry
2,965 Biology and agriculture
3,046 Medicine
10,102 Engineering and general science
"List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of
global warming"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scienti fic_assessment_of_global_warming
On the other foot, the IPCC AR4 had about 2500 contributors, including
800 listed as authors. The rest seem to be mostly reviewers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change#Contribu tors
Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change
http://www.nipccreport.org
In any case, the only opinions of interest are those who are those
who are credentialled in the area of climatology. I see no reference to the
credentials of these alleged "1,000 scientists"
It's amazingly difficult to verify credentials and degrees. I would
not be surprised if a fairly large number of degrees, on both sides of
the debate, were faked. There's also the question of qualifications.
I have a BS in Electrical and Electronics Engineering, which certainly
has little to do with climate. Yet, I my varied experience would
qualify me as a reviewer. Since the head of the IPCC, Rajendra K.
Pachauri, is an economist, and shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Al
Gore, a professional politician, precisely what qualifications do you
believe are required in order to have an opinion on the subject?
If that many of them really represent just a handful,
there must then be millions of climatologists in the world,
**There isn't. There are not very many climatologists.
http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm
"The number of climate scientists in the US can be found
by examining the members of the American Geophysical Union
(AGU). As of November 10, 2006 we know that there is a
minimum (no official count of foreign climatologists is
available) of 20,000 working climatologists worldwide."
Spencer (the religious nutter that denies
Darwin's seminal work) is one of the most vocal. That should tell you all
you need to know.
What is your problem with Spencer? Controversial causes and debates
all have their lunatic fringe. Every organization that I've ever been
associated with has had "supporters" that have done more damage than
good by their involvement. Many of them associate themselves with
causes and organizations simply to further their own agenda (cheap
advertising). With anything as argumentative as global warming, the
lunatic fringe is certain to be well represented on both sides of the
debate.
Even the sacred
IPCC hasn't got that many climatologists on its panel,
**So?
It was you that was suggesting that the AGW deniers were
insufficiently qualified. The number of climatologists can be fairly
minimal, and still be correct. Climatologists usually don't do their
own statistics, don't deal with economic impacts, and have minimal
involvement in actual contents of the report. Climatologists and
researchers produce the original numbers on which the reports are
based. Those numbers are taken up by statisticians, chemists,
doctors, atmospheric researchers, economists, etc and turned into a
coherent and peer reviewed report, suitable for general consumption.
If the report required the sole participation of only climate
scientists, then we might see the IPCC AR5 in the next century.
**I'm reasonably certain that religious fruit looks, like Spencer, have
automatically disqualified themselves, due to their insistence that the fact
of evolution is bunk and that the only form of acceptable funding comes from
Exxon.
That's the 3rd time you've mentioned Spencer in your rant. He's not
important.
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