kreed wrote:
On Sep 28, 2:42 pm, "Trevor Wilson" wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:44 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:28:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
It doesn't explain everything, but is a substantial part of the
puzzle.
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/brightness.shtml
NASA's Glory satellite was suppose to measure all this more
accurately as the exact effect of variations in solar output isn't
totally clear. However, the satellite failed to reach orbit.
http://glory.gsfc.nasa.gov/misison_details.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_(satellite)
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Also noted a news article a couple of weeks back where a NASA
scientist came out on record speaking of concerns that aliens might
attack us if we don't do something about man made global warming 
.
They must be getting so desparate - like a cornered rat - to trot
this rubbish out.
IIRC there were reports of "global warming" on mars also, no wonder
those martians want to come and kill us !
**Substituting lies and complete bull**** for a rational argument
does not enhance your case (such as it is). You need to respond to
my many questions and comments, rather that veering into
fantasy-land.
I'm glad that you admitted that the fear of aliens attacking over
climate change is bull**** rather than rational argument, and proving
my point that NASA or at least the NASA scientist who made this
crackpot statement is speaking "lies, complete bull**** and veering
into fantasy-land"
Im glad we are in agreement on SOMETHING, Whew !!
**We agree on nothing. YOU made the claim about an alleged NASA scientist
making an absurd statement. YOU need to sunstantiate the claim. As usual,
you will fail in this action.
Hanging onto Jeff's coattails is not a reasonable response. Jeff has
presented a cogent, rational argument, that deserves a reasoned
response. He will receive one.
No, he gets a "reasoned response", as you fear that he would hang you
out to dry, and "pull your nappy down in front of the entire school,
**Unlike you, Jeff has placed some reased arguments, backed by some cites.
You present nothing to support your wild claims. BIG difference.
putting your excrement on pubicl display" metaphorically speaking -
if you started abusing him,
**********. I have NEVER abused Jeff. Abuse follows those who act like
dickheads. You have consistently failed to act reasonably and rationally.
You have failed to back your claims with any evidence.
so you are sucking up to him, and gently
trying to sucker him into your fantasy, or at least get him to give
you some credit to your nonsense to try and look clever or learned to
the rest of the group (who know what you are really like over years of
experience) to try and get their approval so the newer members will
think you to be some genius and beacon of wisdom and knowledge and try
and pull them onto your team to use them against the others.
**********. I cite facts and data. You cite absolutely nothing. Jeff has
backed his arguments with cites. You do not. Comparing yourself to Jeff is
extremely insulting to Jeff.
You also think he is undecided on the subject and can be nudged in
your direction, so you handle with care.
**********. I don't know what Jeff's position is. I don't much care. The
truth is the truth. Facts are facts. Your complete bull**** is just that:
Complete bull****. Not once have you presented any facts, or cites to back
your claims. Not once. Jeff presented cites to back his claims.
You know that I and some
others already have studied the matter,and those behind it,
**Liar. You have not read the IPCC AR4. You have, therefore, failed to study
the topic. AR4 is the premier document on the topic.
and have
made up their own minds and will not entertain your rubbish, so there
is no point in being nice to us, as it won't change anything, so you
just try and be nasty, abusive etc to impress the others.
**Not at all. I politely asked you to present data and facts to support your
claims and you failed miserably. Your continued failure to present any data
ensures that you deserve the contempt you receive.
I guess its
also a threat to others that you may think to be timid, or wanting
approval from others that "this is what will happen to you if you
don't support me" type bullying.
**You STILL don't get it. You made wild accusations and wild claims. I asked
for you to supply some evidence to support those claims. You failed to do
so. Your argument has failed.
With me, you have known me on here for a decade or so,
**I don't know you and I don't care to know you. You are clearly an idiot. I
prefer never to deal with such people. I can and regluarly deal with people
who do not share my view on many matters. They all have one thing on common:
They put forward logical, reasonable arguments to back their claims. You do
not.
know that I
generally don't bother pursuing or carrying on drawn out battles with
abusive clowns as I have better things to do.
**And yet, you contiue to sprout complete bull****, without bothering to
back your dodgy claims.
I have seen the futile results in the past, one of the most memorable
being of the group trying to convince ****wits like Miro of basic
facts of ohms law, except in his case, he is arguing against
mathematics, and mathematics in its pure form is one true science
that you cannot argue with.
I more find you an interesting example of someone who is either
mentally disturbed, very very gullible, believes unconditionally in
bull****,
**Nope. I accept that when all the planet's climatologists warn of a problem
that they are likely to be correct. I also accept that you are a complete
idiot, since you believe in some mythical bull**** about all these
climatologists being bribed, without a solitary shred of evidence to support
your claim. I also accept that you dismiss AGW, without bothering to study
the premier document on the subject.
or thinks it cool to do so, kind of like a religious cult
member, or a radical nutter - who desperately needs professional help
to be de-programmed, (this is way out of my area of expertise to do
this for you) and based on this knowledge I really don't care much
what you want to say about me, Im a big boy, been in business all my
adult life, and seen and done enough in that time of how the real
world works to not be shocked or offended any more .
**Hardly surprising, given your extremely ignorant attitudes.
I know you will believe in man-made global warming, and whatever the
next fear and control scam gets cooked up, until the day you hit the
bottom of your grave, hence the old russian saying - "only the grave
cures the hunch-backed".
**********. Unlike you, I've been examining the subject of AGW since the mid
1970s. The only thing that has altered is the amount of data that supports
the theory.
I even find your insults somewhat funny at times and get a good laugh
out of it.
Still waiting for some answers from you.......
**Still waiting for some answers.......
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Trevor Wilson
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