On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:11:11 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 8/29/2011 5:05 AM, john B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:08:20 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 8/28/2011 5:36 AM, john B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:26:28 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 8/27/2011 6:12 AM, ATP wrote:
"Ed wrote in message
...

"Obama's Fake wrote in message
...
An Air Force staff sergeant based in Germany says he's been AWOL
since last week because he read on the Internet that President
Barack Obama's long form birth certificate is a fraud.

Inspired by fellow birther, Army doctor Terrence Lakin, Staff
Sgt. Daryn J. Moran has plastered the Internet with the news
that he's deserting his post as an ophthalmology technician
overseas.

'Sounds like the dude has some prison time coming.

--
Ed Huntress
Not enough, unfortunately. Desertions and bogus claims of military service
don't seem to be punished severely in these modern times. I hope our
national defense is not impaired by the loss of this opthalmology
technician....


Military justice has been and remains an oxymoron. Case in point;
William Calley convicted of leading the massacre of hundreds of
civilians in My Lai, Vietnam. Sentenced to 40 months imprisonment; of
which most of it was spent in his quarters on a military base in Georgia.

So if all they do to you for massacring hundreds of people is what
Calley got then you can expect that same kind of lack of justice
throughout the entire system.

Hawke

Actually Calley was convicted of killing 22 people. Not hundreds.

Cheers,

John B.



We don't give a hoot what the man was "convicted" of. We know what he
did. He lead a massacre of hundreds of civilian old men, women, and
children. His punishment was so far below the level of the crime it's a
joke. Which just proves my point; the words justice and military never
ought to be used in the same sentence.

Hawke

Yes! And Gunner appears to advocate the culling of the political left
- ****! Lets get him too. And that damned guy from N.J. who keeps
researching things and poking holes in the best political theories.
What the hell, we know they are bad people lets just toss them in the
Hoosegow; don't need no damned trial, just get 'um.

What the hell; lets not even bother with a trial and all that
foolishness, just send the boys around and knock on the door. Shoot
'um right there on the doorstep.

Interesting that a bloke who claims so much education can't seem to
understand the benefits of a legal system.

And, by the way, Calley was charged with 22 counts of murder,
convicted, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Cheers,

John B.


When you know the facts about what happened the only question is what is
the punishment going to be. I happened to see on TV a couple days ago
the actual helicopter door gunner that landed and stopped troops from
killing more innocent people.

This massacre didn't come to light until about a year after it happened.
It was covered up by several officers. The facts of the case are crystal
clear. Troops under the command of Calley killed hundreds of unarmed
civilians. So you can forget about the legal system. It was a war
atrocity and everybody knows it. Like I said, the only thing in doubt
was who would get punished and how much.

Calley did 40 months after only getting convicted of 22 murders. Is that
normal for someone killing over twenty people? We have lots of people on
death row for only killing one. Casey Anthony was going to get the death
sentence for just killing her daughter. If that is justice then what
does someone deserve for heading up a massacre of hundreds. Death
penalty, anyone?

The bottom line is as I stated from the start. Justice and the military
are like oil and water. They don't go together and this is just one more
example of it.

Hawke

Yes, a helicopter pilot did land and attempt to stop some of the
killing. Unsuccessfully I think.

But Calley was only a platoon commander and the whole company was
involved in the killing. That is a Captain, Company Commander, and
three Lt. Platoon commanders and one Lt. Col.. Task Force commander.

The investigations showed that all three platoons killed women and
kids, and even put numbers to the actions, and given that there was no
lack of communication it is difficult to believe that both the company
commander as well as the Task Force commander were unaware of at least
some of what was going on and made no attempt to stop it.

In fact the company commander actually said, after leaving the service
and some years had passed that he WAS aware of what was going on.

So you are right in that the Army did close ranks to protect
themselves but the justice you are hollering about was faulty in that
not everyone who was in a position to stop the killing were tried.

Cheers,

John B.