On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:23:46 -0500, "
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:29:39 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:54:32 -0400, Kurt Ullman
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Sorry, but tax levies where someone comes in and takes my money
against my will is force. Period. You can have a system of laws and
still have force for enforcement.

ANY creditor can repossess your vehicle, lien your home, garnish your
wages, and levy your bank account to zero.
That's what happens to deadbeats who don't pay their bills.

*THE* (NOT "any") creditor can repossess your vehicle because you contracting
him that right. The IRS can seize your assets without trial.

All I said about non-gov creditors can happen with a court hearing
before a judge. Call it a "trial" if you want, but you don't have to
show up.
Deadbeats hardly ever qualify for a "trial."
Only a fool or admitted guilty would let the IRS seize their assets
without trial.
You can petition anything the IRS wants to do to you in Tax Court or
U.S. District Court, and get a jury trial.
All before the IRS can get at your assets.
Then you can appeal to the Supreme Court.
I don't where you come up with "without trial".
This bull**** about the power of "force" the IRS has is just bull****.
Traffic cops have more power over lawbreakers than the IRS.

--Vic