On 7/15/2011 10:12 PM, HeyBub wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
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Let's lock you up in a desert camp under primitive conditions for a
few years on the basis of the ethnic origins of your family and see
if you describe the experience as merely having your feelings hurt.
As always you're happy to trivialize the suffering of other people,
there is no doubt your story would be different if you were the one
with the boot on your neck.

Yes, no doubt I would. But how is my personal feeling relevant to
establishing national policy? A country should not pass a law based
on how a particular individual "feels" about it.

"Feelings" have nothing to do with it. Citizens are rounded up and
without even being accused of a crime much less convicted of one they
are confined behind barbed wire for years while their hard-earned
property is seized and sold off so when they are eventually released
they discover their land and property gone--exactly where is the
American dream in that nightmare scenario?

Your point is well-taken, but you forget that individuals can be "rounded
up" and placed in detention/jail without being crimnals. Here are a few:
* Juveniles
* Those standing in civil contempt
* Infectious disease carriers
* Illegal aliens
* Those judeged, or felt to be, mentally incompetent
* Unlawful enemy combatants

Point is, one does not have to be a criminal - or charged with being a
criminal - to be jailed.

I don't give a crap if it
was legal, slavery was legal in America at one time too which didn't
stop it from being unjust, wicked and just plain wrong. Liberty
isn't supposed to be just a bumper sticker slogan, it's supposed to
mean something. In the end either everyone has the same rights or
nobody's rights are safe. You're so willing to **** away the rights
of others that you'd better hope poetic justice doesn't come looking
for you one day, say if your city decides to seize your real estate
not for some public project of pressing value but merely for
commercial development which the Supreme Court said a few years ago
is perfectly legal. I would rage against that too, not out of regard
for your feelings, but because it is wrong.

But, but, but... didn't the government do exactly that when it freed the
slaves?

Oh, and I agree with you, but you are the one who brought up the argument
"How would you feel...?"



There were some interesting cases of people being imprisoned without
criminal charges here in Alabamastan. You mentioned disease carriers;
there was a problem with some ex-cons who would not take their
medication to keep their tuberculosis infections in check or cured.
The state had to lock them back up to protect the population even
though those folks were not violent criminals to start with. The poor
fellows wound up in prison because they did something stupid not violent
so not taking their medication for a serious disease demonstrated how
mentally ill they were. The mental illness alone should have kept them
confined somewhere and there has been a trend to put the mentally ill
in prison rather than a mental institution where they really belonged
in the first place.

TDD