mm wrote:

....


The guy behind is still innocent until proven guilty, but, subject to
possible defenses the defendant will present after the prosecution
rests, ...


No, the question at hand is those locales w/ the _presumption_ of fault
law...in those cases the guilt/cause is assigned and only if that is
able to be rebutted successfully will the charge be cleared.

The only point I was really making is that as opposed to the earlier
poster's claim that that was true irregardless of circumstances that
afaik every presumptive law has the possibility that rebuttal is
possible. The other poster was claiming there wasn't even that possibility.

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