On May 27, 6:30*am, "Robert Green" wrote:
"bob haller" wrote in message
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Republicans are going to REFUSE to raise our countries debt limit.
While demading the disassembly of medicare
Cutting of SS benefits:
( and lowering the tax rate on the super wealthy familys making over
250 grand from 35% to 25%
I agree excess spending must be cut, but leave my SS medicare etc
ALONE!
The Republicans have refused to cut the $20B in subsidies given to oil
companies while looking to make "political vengeance" cuts on anything they
feel is socialism. *Whether it's NPR or Planned Parenthood, helping people
isn't high on their agenda.
Yeah, like NPR is really an essential program that is helping
people. As for Planned Parenthood, there are plenty of other
agencies offering similar services to those with low incomes.
With a govt on the path to bankruptcy, putting those on the
chopping block seems reasonable.
As for eliminating the oil company tax breaks, you have the
number way off. The actual amount is $4bil, not $20bil. I
have no problem in eliminating that and at the same time they
should be looking at ALL similar tax breaks.
Now, let's say the govt does raise the taxes on the US oil
companies by $4bil. Have you studied economics? What
does microeconomics 101 tell you will happen? Answer:
Just like any other increased cost that is imposed on all
competitors in a free market, the cost gets passed on
in the form of higher prices. So, those poor people who
you seek to help by giving them NPR to listen to, will
wind up paying more for gas at the pump.
*Otherwise they'd realize there's plenty of good
the such organizations do that has a proven societal benefit and that they'd
be actually killing US jobs, just about the last thing Americans want right
now. *
Yeah, we really need those jobs at NPR and PPH.
Killing them seems to be a higher priority since we're still fighting
two wars that are at least as senseless as Vietnam, and certainly longer
lasting and more expensive. *But there may be signs that the Tea Party's
effect is perhaps paradoxical. *The Republicans lost a key seat in NY State
and even Rove admits that "don't touch my Medicare" played a role::
http://www.rove.com/articles/318
And keeping Medicare off the table of budget cuts is a good thing?
The country is going bankrupt and it's at the point where it's a
national
security threat. Unless the entitlement spending, which accounts
for two thirds of all spending is on the table, you're never going to
solve the deficits.
Here's another thought. You bitch about the Republicans proposing
to reduce spending on NPR and PPH. What was the Democrats
proposal to reduce spending? Answer: there was no plan at all.
The demagoged the budget to death and we wound up cutting a
totally bloated budget by a whopping .1% (point 1 %). This while
the country adds another $1.7tril to the national debt this year.
Tuesday's special election in New York's 26th district, where Democrat
Kathy Hochul defeated Republican Jane Corwin for a vacant congressional
seat. This is not just any congressional district, but one carried by George
W. Bush and John McCain in the last two presidential elections, and one
represented for 58 years by a Republican.
Many believe that happened, in large part, because the Republican candidate
backed the Ryan Medicare "privatization/voucher" plan that smells
suspiciously of Bush's ill-fated attempt to privatize Social Security.
Apparently the Republicans learned nothing from that fiasco, and so are
trying it all over again to see if they can get it to stick this time. *Evem
with Clinton's backing, the Ryan plan appears doomed but I'll bet the
Republicans keep pushing on it until they lose the vote of almost every
senior in the US. *People like you and me, that have paid into Medicare and
SS all their lives aren't going to stand for anyone monkeying around with
benefits that we feel we have earned (even if our contribution is small
compared to the benefit amount).
You're a real patriot, aren't you. The country is going broke. You
lament
about "helping people". Yet, like a pig, you won't give up any part
of
your piece of pie, regardless of the consequences. Sad, but that
is exactly what is going on and consequently, we just keep inching
towards an unimaginable catastrophe that will change not only the
USA, but the world.
My conclusion? Guys like you and Obama are OK with that happening
because they will use it as another way to try to redistribute wealth,
engage in class warfare, and change the USA forever into a true
socialist state.
End the 3 wars, close all military bases in peaceful places in the
world, like japan and germany. Offer to leave the bbases operating if
the host countries pay the operating expenses.
You're right on the money.
Actually, he's way off the money. You can do that. You could cut
defense by 10 or 20%. Keep in mind that the Democrats only
cut .1%, (point 1%) out of the entire budget, so cuts of 10, 20%
would be huge. Having done that, we'd then have a budget
deficit of $1.55 tril instead of $1.7 tril. See the problem now?
We pay an AWFUL lot to be the "protector" of far too many countries. *The
$20B we sent to Pakistan clearly was money thrown down the drain. *And it's
just the tip of the iceberg. *Like a burned out football player, we keep
trying to recapture the peak of our glory when we saved the world from
Hitler and Tojo. *Now we're turning into a country people need protection
from.
Let Israel and Europe worry about AfRaqIstan (and pay the lion's share of
the war's cost). *THEY are the ones within range of Iran's missiles, not us.
It think that faulty logic was proven on 9/11.
Very true. *The huge debt we've run up is not from NPR or Planned
Parenthood, it's from spending trillions doing security work for free for
other countries in the name of "democracy."
Obviously you're clueless as to where the budget actually goes.
*It nauseates me to think that
one of our closest allies is Saudi Arabia. *It's no democracy and worse,
still, the WTC plotters were almost all Saudis. *What does being the world's
beat cop and enforcer for Saudi Arabia and Israel get us? *Worse than
nothing. *Hatred, resentment and bankruptcy seem to be the reward for
risking our soldier's lives and our treasure abroad.
leaves bases in bad areas like s korea'
I wouldn't even do that. *Those are really local problems and from what I
have learned of the Asian mind set, they're not very happy with our meddling
in their business from 3000 miles away. *
I'd like to see a source that shows the South Koreans are unhappy
with the USA and want us to leave.
They are at least as unhappy as we
were when the Sovs decided to base missiles in Cuba. *No one wants a remote
foreign power meddling in their local affairs. *Those are the kind of
incidents that start world wars.
No, it';s loons like you that believe if the US withdrew all it's
forces from South Korea it would not be an open invitation
to Kim Il Jong to attempt to solve his failing country by
invading South Korea.
I sadly believe that "the powers that be" mistakenly believe the era of
world wars is over, just like they mistakenly believed that the stock market
couldn't crash. *There are lot of things moving into the same sorts of
positions that existed before both world wars. *Financial collapse,
festering territory and trade disputes and political instabilities all over
the globe. *Never say never.
And in the face of that, you want to turn tail and run. Yes, YOU are
repeating the mistakes of WWII.
We keep giving aid to Israel and our staunch support of them seems to have
emboldened them to create more and more settlements in disputed zones. *It
allows them to respond to the killing of a relatively small number of
civilians in rocket attacks by a small number of terrorist by a blitzkrieg
attack that was out of proportion to the provocation, drawing worldwide
condemnation.
What do you think would have happened to Mexico by now if terrorists
were launching rockets into Arizona, blowing up busses and
restaurants,
and Mexico refused to even acknowledge the right of the USA to exist?
Finally Obama drew a line in the sand and said that Israel HAS to do better
or they risk losing serious support from their most powerful ally. *Us.
That speech and Arab Spring are making the Israelis very jittery, as they
should be. *They're using a strategy of "separate but equal" that our legal
system discredited a long, long time ago. *They are a seriously divided
nation on the road to something bad, perhaps very, very soon. *No matter how
many divisions they can field, the Muslims surrounding them outnumber them
by a fantastic ratio.
Let's hope that Obama's bizarre attempted sell out of Israel helps
wake up the Jews in the USA, costs hims a swing state or two
like FL, and makes him a one term president.
Wars eventually turn into numbers games and what seems to be happening is
that Arab leaders are trying to prop up their tottering dictatorships by
trying to refocus the ire of the mobs on Israel. *Apparently Syria's already
started playing that game.
--
Bobby G.
Here's a clue. They didn't just start playing that game. They have
played it all along as even a casual observer would know.