Evan wrote in
:

On May 16, 11:08*am, RicodJour wrote:
On May 16, 8:59*am, Home Guy wrote:



Unless you multi-posted your question to alt.home.repair (which
would b
e
bad because multi-posting is bad) I'm going to cross-post this to
alt.home.repair because the group you posted this to
(misc.consumers.house) gets very little traffic.

pontiusj wrote:
I got a bid to put in a new roof, and it included removal of
2 layers of shingles.

Was it your decision to not remove the original shingles when the
job was done the last time?

They got to work, and it turns out there were three layers of
shingles. We got the bill, and they now want to charge us an
extra $1100 for the removal of the third layer (32 square
additional tear off at $35/square)

Is this normal? Is it really so much more work than 2 layers?

It's bad enough to shingle over the existing roof, but to do it
twice i
s
absolutely nuts.

Based on a typical 3-bundle per square, and a weight of 80 lbs per
bundle, you've got a weight of about 2500 lbs per layer.

That means there is 5000 lbs of extra weight on your roof (more
than a full-size pickup truck).

I'd say that yes, if the roofers were going to remove your top
layer an
d
what they though was the bottom layer as part of the original
quote, an
d
now they want to charge you an extra $1000 to remove a third layer,
the
n
that's not really out of line.

Several things:
- how come the roofer didn't know? *You can see an additional layer
from the edge of the roof, and a roofer can spot that from the
ground. - what does the contract say? *Does it say removal of
existing shingles, or removal of two layers of existing shingles? *If
it says removal of existing shingles the OP doesn't owe the roofer
anything and the roofer will have learned a valuable lesson in not
making assumptions and estimates without doing his homework.
- if you want to be paranoid and assume the worst, it's possible that
the contractor did know about the additional layer and decided to
'discover' it after the job was underway.
- removing three layers is definitely more work and expense for the
roofer than removing two. *If you believe the roofer is shooting
straight, and the contract/estimate simply says removal, then split
the difference with him. *You will both have learned a valuable
lesson.

R

@Rico:

Contract law 101 huh...

Its opinions like yours that cause contracts to become short novels...
The longer the contract the less likely the average homeowner
seeking a repair or improvement is to agree to it... It just isn't
possible to cover every foreseeable circumstance that might
arise on a construction site during a project on a few pages
of contract...

~~ Evan

You gotta keep in mind, it's the roofer who whips out the contract. He
expects the client to live up to it but he doesn't have to?