In message , Mark
writes
On Wed, 04 May 2011 20:55:17 +0100, Old Codger
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 10:16, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2011 23:41:48 +0100, "brass wrote:


"Roger wrote in message
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On 03/05/2011 21:08, John Williamson wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:


See the whole thing illustrated rather cleverly in Dan Snow's video,
to be screened on TV this evening - and available he

http://www.yestofairervotes.org/page...e-solution?utm
_medium=email&utm_source=yes&utm_campaign=2 0110503DanSnow&source=2


Doesn't match my experience of such things. Beer or coffee? Okay, which
pub/ coffeshop? But that's not really relevant to Parliament.


It was just an illustration of choosing between alternatives - and is
equally applicable to drinking venues and parliamentary candidates.

When there were just 2 venues/candidates - no problem, simple majority
sorts it.

But when there are multiple options/candidates, this doesn't work. In the
FPTP illustration, the coffee shop won even though more people wanted to
go *a* (though not the same) pub. When they applied some sort of AV (I
didn't quite understand the methodology) they ended up going to a pub that
everyone was happy with.

But didn't they move the goalposts?
3 pubs were involved and only 1 coffee shop.
So, to defeat the coffee bods, the drinkers got together and decided that
ANY pub was better than coffee.
A really crap example, IMHO.
In any event, however the government is decided, Joe public will be crapped
upon, guaranteed.
Maybe a blindfold and a pin?

To many people the general election could be 3 "pubs" and a "coffee
shop" if there are several popular candidates.

I cannot imagine many folk considering several candidates to be popular.
Occasionally an individual might find it difficult to choose between
two candidates but more than that I consider extremely unlikely.

A lot of people, including myself, have a favoured candidate, one or
two candidates that they really don't want and a few they wouldn't
mind. Under FPTP if their preferred candidate has no chance of
winning what do they do? Either vote for them, knowing their vote
will be thrown out or vote tactically to block one of the others. This
is a very poor situation. With AV you can put your favoured candidate
first and the other "OK" candidate second etc.
I don't see the justification for having more than one shot at electing
your representative. Vote for the person you believe in - end of.
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha