On 4/22/2011 12:44 AM, Hawke wrote:
On 4/21/2011 9:03 PM, David R. Birch wrote:

Well, at least you're getting the idea of what honesty is. Not
pretending to be something you're not is one good example of it.
It's true that you just don't hear the "liberal" media going
around saying they are neutral. They at least acknowledge a left
leaning position. Conversely, Fox pretends they are not a right
wing station. With people like Neil Cavuto, O'Reilly, Hannity,
and Beck as your main prime time line up you'd have to be a liar
to say your network isn't completely committed to the right wing
agenda.

Yet the lefty media seem to spend a lot of time complaining about
the righty media not being fair and balanced, and imply by doing
so that the lefty media are.

Maybe you think so but that doesn't make it so. If I say Bernie
Madoff is a thief that doesn't imply I'm one too, does it?

A better analogy would be to say "If I say Bernie Madoff
is a thief that implies I'm NOT one.

It's clear that Fox is very biased toward the republican party but
they claim they aren't. I don't think making that observation says
anything about who made it. After all it is true so pointing that
out doesn't imply anything.

It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

As you righties like to point out, the mainstream media is all
made up of liberal people so it's no wonder they are biased to
the left.

Sorry, guy, but you establishment lefties are quite a bit to the
right of me.

So you're saying your an extreme left leaning liberal?

Nope, too much self respect to be liberal. More like an Adams-Trotsky
Constitutional Revolutionary.


Just be fair and admit the same thing about Fox.

Can't say, I've never actually watched Fox network news, the local
Fox station doesn't carry it.

So you're ignorant about Fox and how they operate having no personal
experience with the network? Then where did you get your information
about the station?

And you know so much about their programming because that's what you watch?

Or do you just watch the MSM uncritically and believe what they want you to?


I watch Katie Couric because I guess someone should, alas, soon to
be replaced by another newsclown.

What is that supposed to mean? You can't believe what she says on
the news? Or can you?


With all sources, I believe little of what I see and look for the part
of the story not being told. I realize it's hard for you to understand
that all media must be viewed critically, so much easier for you to
trust them to know what you need to know.


If you think she's not telling you the facts about the days events
then why would you keep watching?

She's telling some of the facts, I don't rely on one source.



Everyone working there, or damn near everyone working there is a
registered republican or a libertarian.

You say that like you consider libertarians to to be conservative.
Are you really that ignorant?

It's not me that considers libertarians to be conservative. The
consensus among political scientists is that they are.

Really? Would that be your own group of bar buddies? Can you direct me
to a source that shows this consensus?

So what is your idea? You think libertarianism is a political
position that is on the left side of the political spectrum?

YES! You ARE that ignorant! Libertarian/Authoritarian is a totally
different axis from liberal/conservative or left/right.

Check these out:

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

This one might tax your short attention span:

http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi


I'm sorry, I forgot for a moment who I was responding to. Yes, you
are that ignorant.

Compared to whom?

You actually think politics is only a Left/Right division and you can
ask that? It is to laugh.

You think you're an expert in politics? What makes you think so? Got
any credentials?

Sure, 61 years of paying attention to what's going on. Try it some time.

So by the same logic that makes CBS liberal that makes Fox right
wing. Just admit it and be done with it.

That would require me to care.

No it wouldn't. All it would require from you is that you have an
interest in fairness. Do you think you're a fair minded person? If
you do then you would believe that what's good for the goose is good
for the gander.

Sure fine whatever. The point was that neither is fair or balanced. One
is lying about it by statement, one is lying by implication.

But they keep pretending they are "fair and balanced". Which is
bull****.

Of course, what else do you expect from the left/right media?

Since that's about the only media there is I expect to get the facts
from them.

Why? Have you ever been involved in a local news event that went
national? Have you noticed that the further it gets away from the local,
the more distorted the story gets?

I sure don't think blogs or the internet is where the facts lie. But
if you don't expect fair and balanced from the left/right media then
where would one find it?

I have no answer that would work for you, since it requires the ability
to examine critically what you're told.

David