On 4/20/2011 9:09 PM, TimR wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:52 pm, David wrote:
On 4/20/2011 4:01 PM Red Green spake thus:



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On 4/20/2011 11:46 AM, Red Green wrote:

Remove more insulation than required. Twist them together
clockwise with linemans pliers. Cut off to proper length with the
linemans pliers. All are proper and same length. Wirenut. Now you
have a connection. Not instructions from the marketing
department.

Only my unprofessional opinion but when you remove a wirenut from
the above connection method, wires should not fall apart. This
only meaning the completed connection was safe and reliable. Not
that if a wire nut were to fall off the twisting was a backup.

But what would the problem be if they "fall apart" when you remove the
wirenut? The wirenut is providing the holding force.

Not that if a
wire nut were to fall off the twisting was a backup.

I have never seen a failure when you hold all of the ends parallel and
simply twist on a good quality wirenut.

Great.

Bottom line is do it any way you want when you're doing it. If you're
doing it for someone else, do it to code.

For those familiar with it, what does the NEC say? I'm really curious
being only a wanna-be myself.

What does the NEC say? about attaching wire nuts? Nothing, that's what.
At least so far as any technique for putting them on goes.

What I'm noticing is that everyone here seems to be a wimp when it comes
to twisting wires together (and I mean that in the nicest way). Because
when I twist on a wire nut, the wires end up getting twisted together. I
don't mean just the strands, but the insulated wires themselves. Then I
know that it's on good and tight.

Pliers? Nah.

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The bottom line with a wirenut is you CANNOT know how well you did
it. You can't see the connection. It might be perfectly twisted, it
might have broken wires, one strand may have slipped and be barely
touching. That's why they are illegal in Europe (replaced by
chocolate blocks.)


That is why I pull-test every wirenut connection I make. Tug like hell
on the nut, holding each feed wire in turn. Haven't had one fail yet.
Previous owner here never mastered that, and I had several wirenuts flee
into dark corners when I looked at them wrong.

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