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Just Wondering

On 4/15/2011 12:33 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
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On 4/15/2011 5:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Just Wondering wrote:

I share your pain. Sure, our side lost,

You're picking sides on a conflict that ended a century (more or less)
before you were even born? What's that about? Does that mean you're
in favor of letting a state make slavery legal?

The War of Northern Aggression initially had nothing to do with slavery. For
example, Lincoln's "Emancipation Proclamation" was issued three years after
the war began and only abolished slavery in the states in rebellion. Yes,
those states still a part of the Union were not affected by the decree
(Maryland, Delaware, D.C., Oklahoma Territory, New Mexico Territory, Utah
Territory, etc.).

"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State
or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion
against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever
free..."

And, no, I'm not in favor of a state legalizing slavery - I was just
correcting the common, but wrong, notion that slavery, per se, was the
primary cause of the North invading the South.

So when you say "Sure, our side lost," what do you mean by "our side"?
Does that mean you're in favor of a state engaging in civil war against
the nation? Just what was it that makes you take the position that the
Confederate states are "your side"?

No state engaged in civil war against the nation. The Confederate
States of America was a separate sovereign nation which was conquered by
the United States and forced at gunpoint to become part of it.

So if I take may wife and children, and my 1/3 acre of land, and declare
that we have seceded from the United States, that makes us a separate
sovereign nation? And if officials of the U.S. government act against
me, they engage in war and conquest of a sovereign nation?