"Pete C." wrote:

jim wrote:
?
? I will tell you this much I would never go to work
? for a company that had union employees
? It tells me a lot about the employer

It tells more about the corrupt unions than anything else.

Some unions may be corrupt but
many employers are corrupt or incompetent
Unions exist where employees are treated like chattel
If a business can't get along with its workers
and goes out of business as a result
that is just one consequence of free market economics


Frequently where the unions are you find that there were no problems
with the employer, but rather low skilled workers who were gullible
enough to be scammed by union recruiters into joining the union and
paying union dues while not seeing any actual benefit.

employees don't vote for unions where there is already good
communication
The japanese automakers have numerous plants in the US
and those assembly plants aren't unionized
No unions because the employees think
unions are not needed to communicate

Toyota has in profitable years paid their assembly plant workers
better than Detroit UAW workers
And Toyota workers would join a union in a heart-beat if Toyota
treated there employees like GM has

Unions are a waste of productivity
but they are a necessary evil when you have bad management



I recall seeing some reports where workers are some large foreign owned
auto plants in the US were cheering after once again defeating attempts
by a corrupt union to impose themselves on the workers.

Nah your not even close.
Unions don't impose themselves on anybody
Employees can choose by democratic elections
to have an agent represent them.
Do you think movie stars have agents forced upon them?
If the union exist it is because the majority wants it to




Unions hate
these non union competitors and will do anything and everything they can
to cause trouble at such plants, since these plants are proof that
unions do not benefit the workers.

These plants are evidence of good management
They are evidence of good lines of communication
between employee and employer
those plants have gained market share
because they are more productive
And team work is the biggest part of that

Nobody likes working for incompetent management